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On 25 Jul 2015 at 4:58pm my land wrote:
Well to all you do gooders . what do you thing now of the criminals breaking in the channel tunnel again .stoping people going on holidays trucks from working
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 5:14pm Tom wrote:
Webbo, please remove above offensive comment about people who risk their lives to have what the above idiot does but doesn't make the sad git happy
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 5:30pm townie wrote:
Webbo, please keep the original comment as it doesn't offend me at all. Grow a pair Tom.
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 6:00pm Cliffe Hanger wrote:
Well 'my land', if you could express yourself a little more clearly, by spelling things correctly, using full stops, the occasional capital letter, and all that boring sh*t, then you may get taken a little more seriously. Or maybe not.
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 6:20pm Doh wrote:
What's a holiday truck anyway?
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 6:34pm Trooper wrote:
It appears by the way this post is written he/she came to this country in or under a lorry or on a rail way carrier.
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 7:10pm jo wrote:
Just seen it on sky news not good
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 7:14pm 8 miles from home wrote:
10 4 you my land. Keep them Trucks and Trains rolling.
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 7:23pm Jo wrote:
By the sound of it. Some of you may be missing the point
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 8:43pm Haven't seen sky news wrote:
what's happened?
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 10:08pm sceptic wrote:
They should have taken Nigel Farage a bit more seriously.
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 10:30pm Yawn wrote:
No one can take Farage seriously
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On 25 Jul 2015 at 10:31pm Tom wrote:
@townie. Not sure why having lesticles are needed to not be offended by racist drivel. Ignorance like this is just offensive full stop
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 1:32am Newell Fisher wrote:
Desperate people in search of a better life.
People in one of the world's most wealthy nations going on holiday.
Who to sympathise with more?
Hmmm....
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 7:02am townie wrote:
@ Tom. So why don't you do your bit, go over to France, pick a truckful of illegals up and let them live in your house.
90% of the illegals are there purely for our free healthcare and benefits
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 7:35am Lester Tester to Lom wrote:
Well you made me laugh Tom with your pop@ townie. Lesticles . And I have to say I agree with townie this country has been a soft touch for decades, it's as if we have a guilt trip for our Empire misdeeds
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 8:11am sceptic wrote:
Why is it that the ordinary people of this world get all the flack and yet the people who run it dont. It is true that this country cant really afford to take many more immigrants especially the ones that cant contribute with their skills, but you cant blame them for trying to improve their lives. I am sure anyone of you in the same situation with a family would try the same. Its really the governments fault to have allowed it to get out of hand. My remark about Nigel Farage got a negative response from Yawn but that was to be expected. Nigels policies were not racial as some bigots seem to think but sensible which seem to be lacking in todays goverment. No doubt this post will attract some negative response but lets face it the situation has got out of control so what would you do.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 8:26am Earl of Lewes wrote:
It's true, you can't blame the migrants for trying and on a personal level, you'd need a heart of stone not to sympathise with them. But Britain is already overpopulated and has to import nearly 50% of its food, so an open door policy isn't the answer. But to do nothing except tighten the border security is impractical and unethical. We should be looking at the countries where migrants are coming from and doing more to tackle the poverty and violence that drives them to leave their family and friends for an uncertain future.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 8:56am sceptic wrote:
I could not agree more Earl of Lewes. At last a sensible response to a delicate subject.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 9:17am Sid wrote:
But that's not true because they can build a new live in France. it's because the free hand outs we give them. if you like them so much them take one in and feed them for a year of so do not be so p.c
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 9:42am sceptic wrote:
Sid, it appears that you just like an argument like so many posts that appear on here. This crap you come out with " if you like them so much Bla Bla Bla " is such a childish response. Of course they prefer it here than France, thats human nature and if you are a family man then you would probably do the same. Earl of Lewes hit the nail n the head, this country is overpopulated so something needs to be done. That does not stop me for showing a little sympathy towards people trying to better their way of life.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 10:28am Redballs wrote:
The genie is out of the bottle.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 11:01am Paul Newman wrote:
EU migration has been very good indeed for this country. Lewes has many German French and other Europeans incomers who contribute to Lewes, to the exchequer, grow the GDP( thus reducing proportional debt ) and by doing so increase employment for all. Hurrah for them !
Whether or not there is an additional pressure on housing form this source is debateable. EU migrants are disproportionately in private rented accommodation and suffer the consequences dysfunctional housing market more than anyone, they rarely get social housing and use every aspect of the state less form health to welfare. On average they contribute higher skills (probably speak better English ..) and we can only say again and again when the economy is boosted the net affect is more jobs.
True there are local shortages as the state runs behind the population trends but these are not worse than they ever were and there has also been low skilled migration. Low skilled migration enables business models like Sports Direct to prosper cutting everyone’s costs and no affect on the career job market which young people are right to complain about
EU migrants come with a polite and considerate attitude to the sensitivities of the ethnically English and at every level , schools , communities and the straightforward enjoyment of being amongst interesting people its all good.
The truth is that the state`s resources are sucked into a minority English class trapped in multigenerational dependency to an extent that support for th welfare has been undermined.
Its a problem but its very much a home grown one .
The difficulties that have been caused by excessive immigration in this country do not come form the Eu they come from the rest of the world, fake students, fake wives and the difficulties of culturally distant isolated communities. I would have a much much harder time making a case for the overall benefit of this sort of immigration.
So which type of migration do UKIP say they will stop…….

Not too bright is it . I urge anyone of a Conservative cast of mind to think very hard about the way UKIP are combining excessive Nationlaism with populist socialism .I don`t like it form the SNP I don`t like it form the Continental Facsists and I don`t like it form UKIP one bit.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 11:02am Tom wrote:
@townie. Like you, I don't want to see my standard of living drop further either, but I do have sympathy for someone who feels the need to risk their life. If we really want to help we'd all have to accept a drop in our standard of living, but I think it's the governments of these countries where the migrants come from that need sorting so that people aren't having to leave I the first place. The violence and corruption needs sorting. This is part of the reason that the government ring fences the development aid budget ( as well as for trade and security reasons)
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 11:25am Local resident wrote:
There is a problem, but it is more complicated than is presented by some of the nasty views on this thread. How about refugees fleeing ISIS? will you let them in? where should they go instead, and why? One of the main reasons people aim for the UK, is nothing to do with benefits , it is simply because we speak English. Reducing this difficult situation into moaning that dirty poor people are ruining holidays should win the Marie-Antoinette Golden Cake Award .
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 4:05pm newspeak wrote:
Actually the principal cause of the cross channel delays has been an ongoing industrial dispute between the French government and port workers, and the ferry company, which is nearly settled. The flaming tyres and port blockades are down to striking workers, not migrants. The main issue with the migrants is the dangers to their lives with attempting to hitch onto lorries on Eurostar trains etc. So extra security checks are also in place.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 4:15pm Local resident wrote:
Yes. A classic example of prejudice blinding people to the facts needed to have a proper discussion about the problem.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 4:30pm Clifford wrote:
People on here say we're overpopulated, but they never say what they think the population should be and how we're going to reduce it.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 5:16pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
Clifford - There is no easy answer. Some hardcore environmentalists have suggested that 12 million is a sustainable figure - roughly what we had just before the Industrial Revolution - in terms of food and energy production. During the Second World War, it was around 45 million and we were only able to feed ourselves by having strict rationing and limited imports. How would we manage today?
But to answer your question, you wouldn't have to do anything draconian to reduce the population, other than control net migration, as people are having smaller families and there are more childless and single households. The reduction would be gradual, which is important, otherwise you'd end up with a huge retired population and a small workforce.
Why should anyone care about population? For me, there are several issues. First, I love the countryside and don't want to see it concreted over. Second, I want everyone to have access to decent, affordable housing, which can only happen if the demand is reduced. Third, with climate change and population growth in the developing world, it's naive to assume that we can always import the food we need. There's even talk of a chocolate shortage at the moment - not the end of the world, but an indictation that you can't take anything for granted.
I want to feel that my children and their families will have a secure future and a decent quality of life. I don't think that's likely if the population continues growing at it's present rate, as housing is already unaffordable and our infrastructure is at breaking point in some areas.At the beginning of the 20th century, the population was about 40 million. If we could return to that level buy the beginning of the next century, that would be a step in the right direction.
If this viewpoint seems a bit bonkers, I apologise, but I can't see any other way out of our current problems.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 8:52pm Reality wrote:
The tunnel should be treated like an airport terminal, massive security lock down needed. Proper security is essential.
Then start talking to the French about a proper solution. No way however that any individual should be getting anywhere near the channel tunnel, not only are they risking their lives but also of those using it for whatever purpose.
May be selling off the tunnel wasn't such a good idea after all...no control over it now, just total chaos
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 8:55pm mickyboy wrote:
So should this countries transport links be cut and the free passage of goods and people be stopped because the French will not deal with illegal immigrants in their own country, The french have for too long ignored the problem as long as the illegals were intent on going to the UK They of course are currently protecting their border with Italy rather securely at the moment.
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On 26 Jul 2015 at 10:38pm Zebedee wrote:
@Clifford. Here you go.

The population of the UK should be stabilised at around 20 million and achieved by huge reduction in immigration, tax and social imperitives to reduce breeding and acceptance of voluntary euthanasia.
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On 27 Jul 2015 at 6:22am Earl of Lewes wrote:
"Voluntary euthanasia" sounds a little disturbing!
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On 27 Jul 2015 at 10:18am ar10642 wrote:
Zebedee, I presume you're offering to kill yourself for the benefit of us all? Thanks, nice gesture. Also, how are the social imperatives going to work? "No family? Free iPhone and 500 Nectar points!"
 
 
On 27 Jul 2015 at 5:53pm Mrs Grumpy wrote:
Why don't we ask Malthus what he thinks
 
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On 2 Aug 2015 at 8:27pm Mike Best wrote:
I just love the start of this
"Stopping people from going on holidays and trucks working"
Meanwhile there are humans who we treat as if they are vermin because they weren't born with the same chances and rights as us.
It's not an easy situation to solve. But we took over half the world, start wars in other countries that have F all to do with us, exploit cheap foreign labour and then complain we don't like it when people come knocking. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can have your cake and choose to ignore the obesity but the results are still the same...


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