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On 20 Nov 2010 at 5:15pm borough boy wrote:
no chuck the borough commite is not mainly winters theres 3 out of 16. martin and nathan were used as scapegoats for the firebrigades cock up. those 2 firemen werent ment to be there in the first place they were even told by other members of the firebrigade to leave. the problem is that you people are only hearing one side of the story.
 
 
On 20 Nov 2010 at 6:08pm teaboy wrote:
The trouble is, though, that there are indeed 2 sides of the story. BOTH sides did wrong, not just the fire brigade, and not just the Winters. Just because the fire brigade were wrong in some respects certainly does not mean Martin and Nathan are innocent. There should be a HSE investigation into the brigade's actions, and prosecution of those who broke the rules. This does not mean the Winters are scapegoats though. If they had kept to the rules then the accident would probably not have happened, and shouldn't have caused the damage it did.
 
 
On 20 Nov 2010 at 6:38pm Kris wrote:
What is done is done get over it
 
 
On 21 Nov 2010 at 12:41am Nigel wrote:
Rats, all of them
 
 
On 21 Nov 2010 at 2:06pm supporter wrote:
its time this was put to rest.
we have heard both sides now and it's time to move on.
 
 
On 27 Nov 2010 at 9:58am Re:teaboy wrote:
Teaboy wrote "If they had kept to the rules then the accident would probably not have happened"
The accident did not start due to fireworks being kept in that container, it was a freak but not unique cause where a fuse ignited while being moved, the fuse was not attached to fireworks but was being carried in a bundle with other fuses. When Nathan realised while carrying it that it had ignited his reaction was to drop it and unfortunately it then set off fireworks which were being loaded for a display that night. - is that worthy of a 5 year sentance in prison?, he was not the owner or even a directo of the company but just an employee who was related to the owner.
At no point was anyone behaving in a dangerous or irresponsible way to cause the accident.
It is not always illegal to have fireworks in metal containers similar to the one that blew up, they can be put in them to be transported, (which was the intent here) so what would have happened if all the paperwork had been in order - the fire brigade were ignoring the warnings they were receiving so would they have gone after Martin and Nathan still as they way they handled it through avoidable mistakes meant that sadly two people died.
So was it just to only try the Winters because they felt they needed someone to have as public figures of blame, was it just that the fire brigade who may have been judged at fault for the deaths to have been working with the police to investigate the event? - surely that creates an unfair bias in the investigation? and should they have received as long a sentance as they did when there are hundreds of example where companies only were held responsible for a death(s) and were fined, but no charges were brought against owners or employees?


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