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On 28 Mar 2013 at 10:18pm lovely lady wrote:
whilst walking past the top end of harveys way, i was unable to walk on the pavement due to two cars and three vans blocking the pavement
how can the public get by
the parking attendents put a ticket on a emergency vehicle yet they did not attempt to sort this problem out it was 4.30 pm
come on lewes parking attendents wake up
On 28 Mar 2013 at 10:47pm Dave wrote:
Cliffe High Street is an absolute joke these days, nobody pays a blind bit of attention to where the parking bays are which is no surprise really as nobody seem to take responsibility to see that they do park where they should. I constantly have to dodge large lorries who have taken over the vast majority of the pavement.
Whose responsibility is that?
Yeah and those people who have taken over the pet shop in Cliffe High street leave their flippin' rabbit hutch outside the shop right on the corner of Morris Road, I saw an old biddy almost go flying the other day and they park their car half on the pavement out the back
On 29 Mar 2013 at 7:18am Relived wrote:
I had a blocked passage this morning , a quick instant coffee problem solved ,
On 29 Mar 2013 at 7:27am Deelite wrote:
The parking bays on Cliffe High Street can't be seen. They need marking out more clearly.
I agree about the rabbit hutch. I've given it a good kick once or twice.
On 29 Mar 2013 at 10:03am Southover Queen wrote:
Cliffe High St is a bugbear. I'd guess that the "authorities" would say that Cliffe High St is supposed to be pedestrianised and the only vehicles using it should be residents from the river end who have no other road access to their homes, and vehicles delivering to the shops. Consequently since there is only waiting/loading allowed there shouldn't be any parking spaces because there is no parking there. Since it is actually used as a cut-through by half the residents of the town and since virtually every shop on the south side has a vehicle outside it most of the time you would be forgiven for thinking that it's just a regular highway. It isn't, as the police action a year or so ago demonstrated, with a lot of drivers being fined for disobeying the "access only" signage.
On 29 Mar 2013 at 11:47am mr mainwaring wrote:
need for nice sharp handbags and coats, leave your mark!
On 29 Mar 2013 at 12:58pm oldbutintouch wrote:
Fortunately, Cliffe High Street still has a large number of flourishing, "real" shops, which require regular deliveries of "real" stock - hence the lorries. I know that the more naive of you believe that all goods for our shops should arrive by bike, but it cannot be. The lorry and van drivers are doing a neccessary job supplying local business, not enjoying a recreational drive. It must be remembered that the original concept for the Cliffe was "shared use", and not pedestrianisation - by and large, now that NSL/NCP have settled down a bit, it seems to work very well. As to the obstructed pavements - this was also part of the original concept. Shops were encouraged to have pavement displays, and cafes and pubs seating, all to foster a continental atmosphere. Mind you, I suppose our European cousins also suffer the complaints of similar prematurely retired whingers.
On 29 Mar 2013 at 1:31pm Southover Queen wrote:
That's not what I'm talking about, oldbutintouch. I'm talking about (a) people using Cliffe High St as a quick cut through to South St and beyond, and (b) parking their cars with apparent impunity. Here's a picture I found which illustrates the point perfectly - most of those vehicles aren't delivering or loading anything, and pedestrians find themselves dodging moving vehicles when the "pavement" is totally occupied by parked cars. Not much room for continental cafe tables in that environment, is there?

Check it out here »
On 29 Mar 2013 at 2:02pm the old mayor wrote:
It seems to work well in places like Holland where traffic, cyclists and pedestrians can all cope with each other. Here in Cliffe the pedestrians seem to think its their right to walk as slowly as they can in the middle of the street, without any heed to their environment. And Vehicles the same. Also, to make matters worse the Council seem to be prepared to lease off parts of the kerb to Cafes and Shops so they can commandeer space for their customers that can sit inside. Why can we all get by peacefully any more ?
On 29 Mar 2013 at 2:33pm forced into road wrote:
the issue of the Council creating wider pavements, and then reducing them again by leasing them off is an interesting one. I don't remember being asked about this in the Consultation, I remember being told we would have a lovely wide pavement to enable a pleasant shopping environment, whilst still enabling access for vehicles. So why are we back to a narrower road, and minimum pavements both squashed into a spec that used to be just a road. It gives me the impression that thousands was spent on enabling some cafe's to extend their business area , at the expense of the highway and pavement. There is legislation that ESCC and LDC should not allow developments which worsen the environment for pedestrians, so how has this mess occurred?
On 29 Mar 2013 at 2:55pm Southover Queen wrote:
It does work in Holland, but that's because they've taken the radical step of prioritising pedestrians and cycles over motor vehicles. Given what people think of introducing a 20mph speed limit for the town centre, I can't imagine how that would go down.

The link I gave above doesn't work, so I've tried again. This one shows exactly what the problem is with Cliffe High St - too many cars pushing everything and everyone else out of the way.

Check it out here »
On 29 Mar 2013 at 3:48pm numberjack wrote:
I am curious as to where one would be travelling from in town if driving along Cliffe High Street was to be a "quick cut through" to South Street? The only place would be Court Road, it would make no sense from anywhere else?
ALL vehicles visiting visiting Harveys Brewery or Argos and using their car parks, or making deliveries to / collections from any other property West of Morris Road, are required by Law to drive the length of Cliffe High Street and exit onto South Street.
On 29 Mar 2013 at 4:17pm Southover Queen wrote:
Well it does from Friars Walk and the car park there.

I don't know where they all come from, but they certainly do. I gather the police did a roaring trade in fines on the day they did the crackdown, so they must believe there's a problem too. Certainly once half the road is clogged with parked cars and the rest of the road is taken up with through traffic, there's nowhere much for the pedestrian to take refuge.
On 29 Mar 2013 at 6:18pm lovely lady wrote:
relived oh you are soooo funny ...not grow up
if your passage was blocked i would leave it as you talk a load of s.... anyway
On 25 Jul 2014 at 1:24am Cliffe Fan wrote:
I agree to a point, but surely a high street is for retailers and local traders need as much help as possible.

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