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Loss of Empire..Brexit an English delusion.

On 18 Jan 2017 at 3:08pm Captin Mainwaring wrote:
"To explain the referendum result as a ‘howl of pain at austerity’ is a pious flight from reality. It is to ignore, to cover over again, the wound, festering below the threshold of public consciousness for two generations, which the referendum opened up to the air."Brexit is the result of an English delusion, a crisis of identity resulting from a failure to come to terms with the loss of empire and the end of its own exceptionalism, argues Cambridge University professor Nicholas Boyle

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On 18 Jan 2017 at 3:42pm Boyle's Law wrote:
I like the one about gas under pressure - like the forum itself
On 18 Jan 2017 at 3:42pm Hmmm wrote:
Time will tell I guess, less immigration = less housing demand, less housing demand = lower prices...
I expected many people will gladly take austerity for a house market crash and will be greatly better off as a result.
How is austerity any different to the last 8 years, the majority have had no pay rises (or small ones) anyway.
On 18 Jan 2017 at 3:47pm Demands are never met wrote:
We are the neo liberal money men from the rest of the world and we want a slice of London. Stuff your other cities and your HS2
On 18 Jan 2017 at 4:02pm SHS wrote:
@Nicholas Boyle. Absolute tosh. Why with a stroke of a pen would any nation not losing a war just resign it's sovereignty and succumb to a dictatorship? If we'd stayed in Europe we would more and more have become servants obeying obscure European laws, paying out for the inflated costs of our new bosses and spending our days moaning about our fate instead of building and living our lives. Plenty more trading partners. Plenty of scope now to re-build our exports and generate our own funds to build infrastructure, fund our education system, the NHS and a working future for everybody. Without borrowing from others. Without stifling taxation. Some people need more optimism and determination, and readiness to pull their weight!
On 18 Jan 2017 at 5:47pm Agony Uncle wrote:
I've read it and marvelled at how out of touch a Cambridge academic is and how much contempt he has for ordinary people. The vote wasn't fuelled by a desire to return to an idealised past, but simply to be able to have some control over the changes that lie ahead and to protect our communities from the worst excesses of globalisation.
On 18 Jan 2017 at 6:22pm Newms wrote:

Globalisation has created unprecedented wealth educational levels , health life expectancy and freedom . No wonder we should be protected. The referendum was not won on constitutional grounds it was won by stoking ethnic insecurity with a long term campaign of racially charged lies ( In fact anti-globalisation usually means no more than anti Brown skinned people ) . For example leavers are still telling anyone who will listen that a shortage of cheap housing is caused by immigration
If you think about it for a second the extent which the population has risen since the 70s as a consequence of immigration
In 1970 at the eggi8ng of the increase ion housing costs the UK population was 55.6m , in 2010 is was 62.7m
In that time the cost of a house relative to income has increased by multiples due to life span , more people demanding hosues more credit more widely available and economic progress and particularly the explosion of regional economies like the South East and London
It is perfectly obvious the immigration has almost nothing to do with it but for years they have lied and lied and lied and lied and now they have betrayed us all

Brexit will; mean more globalisation , outside an orderly market the country will have no choice but to compete in a disorderly one . Companies that do not will fail and workers rights are finished
Do you think Farrage Redwood and co didn`t know this ?
On 18 Jan 2017 at 7:09pm Earl of Lewesss wrote:
@PN Why pick the population of 2010 - that was seven years ago. Last year it was over 65,000,000, which is a significant increase. You obviously don't think that nearly 3 million people in six years is a problem. I do. And please don't play the race card to try and discredit anyone who objects to uncontrolled population growth or globalisation. That's a cheap trick. It's not about race, it's about the environment, the infrastructure and people's quality of life, all of which will suffer if we become overpopulated.
On 18 Jan 2017 at 7:34pm Plebian wrote:
I think its fairly obvious that Russia was behind Brexit. After all, some Brexiteers don't think Trump is literally Hitler.
On 18 Jan 2017 at 10:01pm Taff wrote:
Only the English captain?
On 19 Jan 2017 at 7:45am Hang on EOL wrote:
65 million minus 62.7 million is closer to two million than three. Just saying.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 7:49am Pro Rata wrote:
Family house bought in 1970. small 2 bed (new) terrace £4500. Self employed building worker £20 a week. I think we've fallen behind somewhat.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 7:54am Earl of Lewes wrote:
@Hangon - You're quite right. I did get a D for maths. But it's still too many. People like Chris Packham and David Attenborough believe that we should halt any further population growth because of the effect it will have on our environment. Last time I looked, neither of them were rabid racists.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 8:36am Hang on wrote:
No worries EOL, and have to say I quite agree with your points on population growth.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 10:54am @Pro rata wrote:
An excellent example well made.
1992 for me:
2 bedroom bungalow £45,000, basic wage of £200 a week.
Exactly inline with yours (factor of 10).
On 19 Jan 2017 at 11:27am Angel wrote:
If we lose immigrants who will do the low-paid jobs that the 'native' English baulk at ? On zero hours contracts with no job security? These conditions already exist despite the EU supposedly protecting workers rights. I voted Remain but with doubts about transparency and why big business is so enamoured of the EU. It's far more complicated than either Remain or Leave camps ever spelled out. But as one door closes another opens. Trading empires rise and fall and have done for centuries.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 11:32am Tom Pain wrote:
Globalization has created unprecedented wealth??? Among the 1%maybe! I'm sure they don't see food banks and homelessness and, it appears, neither does Newms. Globalization is the continuation of the British Empire.It's only use for the British people was for cannon fodder and the plundered wealth is still in the same hands. The perpetrators never considered themselves British but international. They only start saving flags when they want us to fight for them.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 11:37am Pro Rata wrote:
I think you may have been a bit better off - bungalows are more expensive, indeed there were a few on the site and they were unaffordable. Thanks to the Lewes Building Society for giving my ( late ) parents the mortgage back then. Interesting comparison from you though. How much for a 2 bed terrace in Lewes or a village now ?
On 19 Jan 2017 at 1:18pm Mark wrote:
I would add to Newms list the explosion in divorce rates.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 2:07pm Corporal Fraser wrote:
Having looked at this thread first, I was surprised to find that the article was about something rather different to most of what is discussed above. I voted Leave myself, but I can't see anything at all contentious in the article - and I would agree with it almost 100%.
People voted Leave for lots of different reasons, and I find a lot of what is talked about and and broadcast is very thin-skinned "snowflake" stuff about how people were left feeling bewildered and upset by hearing someone using a foreign language on the bus once. There are very valid and entirely un-xenophobic reasons to have voted Leave and I find myself embarrassed and cross at being lumped in with some of the sentiments that the article discusses when people ask me why I voted as I did. The truth is that a Yes/No referendum was a poor method to gauge public opinion. Unlike many, it seems, I'm not a "sore winner" - indeed, in many ways I now feel as if I've lost, as the result has been hijacked by some really unpleasant far-right ideologues and used as a free pass to do whatever they want. Not in my name!
On 19 Jan 2017 at 2:15pm The Greek wrote:
^ And that is why I voted Remain.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 2:22pm leaver wrote:
However corporal the reason I voted leave was to restore the power of the democratic vote in this country.
When all is said and done it is the vote that gives people with no money, no power, no leverage - the ability to have an equal say in how the country is run.
We have no ability to change the ideology of the EU through the ballot box but soon we will once again be able to kick out those in charge of our laws. Our system is a long way from being perfect but is it a dam sight better than being run by commissioners and former Goldman Sachs employees.
Look at the greeks if you want to see how dangerous signing away that ability can be.
On 19 Jan 2017 at 4:21pm Ed Can Do wrote:
@Pro-rata - I paid a shade over £200k for a two-bedroom house in Lewes about five years ago. Zoopla is currently estimating my house as being worth a rather optimistic £292k although apparently someone two doors down (It's a terrace) paid £275k 15 months ago. Madness really.
On 21 Jan 2017 at 11:47am My God wrote:
Ed, pray tell us the hellish slum area you dwell in where one can purchase a residence for sub 300k?

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