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On 6 Jan 2022 at 11:48pm Basil wrote:
Norman Baker? I'm not a Lib Dem but I must say he was one of the few decent politicians I've come across.
On 7 Jan 2022 at 12:00pm Father Hackett wrote:
Best mp Lewes has had. However that's not saying much as the others have been useless. That includes the current waste of space we have supposedly representing us.
On 8 Jan 2022 at 10:54am David Stanley wrote:
He writes books and appears on podcasts disparaging royalty mostly...
On 9 Jan 2022 at 7:45am David Stanley wrote:
He is mentioned in an article about Prince Andrews finances in today's Telegraph online regarding a loan from David Rowland.
On 9 Jan 2022 at 7:47am David Stanley wrote:

Check it out here »
On 9 Jan 2022 at 10:46am Tom Pain wrote:
I can't get your link to work, David.
On 9 Jan 2022 at 1:22pm David Stanley wrote:
Nor can I but if you look up Norman Baker on YouTube he is interviewed on shaun attwoods channel . It's a bit sensationalist.
On 9 Jan 2022 at 2:09pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Norman Baker was cool, I'd vote for lib dems in lewes again if he stood - especially next time up, as Labour/Greens may well step aside in constituencies such as ours to fight the tories. Plus Baker was keen on cannabis de-criminalisation, which seems a sound policy to me Norman, if you're listening (reading), all is forgiven regarding your coalition government years - just get that tory out!

I remember being fairly proud that Lewes voted remain and was a lib dem seat for so many years, rather than of a provincial, stuffy, painfully-white-middle-class town who looks up to retired mustachioed army types called Sir Tufton Beamish that speak in a 1940s BBC news radio voice. I'm not sure why there is so much deference and forelock tugging for tories in the 21st century still, its baffling. I'm white, middle class, but I would be ashamed to be so obsequious towards boring old toffs who haven't had a good idea in decades.
On 10 Jan 2022 at 1:10pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:
Ahh yes , Sur Tuffton Beamish, awarded the Military Cross defending this country
Perhaps you’d like to show us yours before slagging off
On 10 Jan 2022 at 2:01pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Being in the military doesnt give you a free pass for all future endeavours. This includes being in a political system and party that lets down the people it claims to represent.
On 10 Jan 2022 at 10:43pm Tom Pain wrote:
On 10 Jan 2022 at 11:18pm Tom Pain wrote:
On 11 Jan 2022 at 12:15pm Green Sleeves wrote:
On 11 Jan 2022 at 9:49pm Tom Pain wrote:
123 indeed, it's all im allowed to say it seems.
On 14 Jan 2022 at 12:00pm Tom Pain wrote:
Whatever happened to my post 10 January 11.18pm? And how was the testing post of 10.43 duplicated in it's stead? Ay that's a mystery indeed. Could it be due to the fiendish machinations of Russian hackers or something closer to home?
On 15 Jan 2022 at 2:42pm Nevillman wrote:
The funny thing about Norman baker being ousted in the 2015 election was that it reflected the fact that the lib Dems bore the full responsibility for the coalition government. The Tories who were the main party were rewarded for their role in the coalition government.
On 15 Jan 2022 at 5:39pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Yep, the tories predictably threw the lib dems under the bus in 2015, despite many of the "best" policies being Lib Dem supported/led policies. Unfortunately, all of that was drowned out by the failures of that coalition government, as well as the massive u-turn on increasing tuition fees.

Liberal Democrats are best advised to form future coalitions with at least other parties broadly with the same goals. The tories were never that, and unfortunately the lib dems enabled them. I'd vote for them (again), if they were to at least help get the tories out and Labour in power, at least in some form.
On 15 Jan 2022 at 10:33pm Tom Pain wrote:
How ironic that Labour introduced tuition fees for students.And that the toff Beamish was a supporter of the EEC.
On 16 Jan 2022 at 11:47am Green Sleeves wrote:
Not ironic really at all. Blair/Labour introduced tuition fees and also went to war in Iraq - i disagree with both policies. Unfortunately the realistic alternatives at the time were lib dems (a minority party, who did oppose tuition fees and war), but the only main political party at the time that could genuinely oppose such lousy policies were the tories....and they backed both (at least even many Labour MPs took a stand against it!). I'm not blaming the tories for the war in Iraq, or tuition fees.....but they supported both, and of course since then, they have massively increased tuition fees while in power (with the forced gun-to-head of the coalition lib dems). Labour certainly didn't support that in opposition as the voting records show.

Old duffer Tuffers Beamish croaked in 1989 and left politics in 1974. I'm sure had he lived to see the evil EU empire grow to what a menace it has become, he would have been voting Brexit in 2016 (as a 101 year old!).
On 16 Jan 2022 at 11:49pm Tom Pain wrote:
So more Labour were against tuition fees but Labour forced it through with Tory assistance while the libdems were helpless, ok. Same with the war but the tories held a gun to the libdems head head, well that's war isn't it, perhaps on the tuition vote they threatened them with the cane! Your political religion must be pretty fundamentalist to believe in so many contradictions. Have you heard of double think? You could have been a star in 1984.
On 17 Jan 2022 at 1:05pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Its not "double think" (quel surprise, another 1984 reference *yawn*, how trite), as I have openly expressed my disagreement over previous policies implemented by parties such as Labour and Lib Dems. If I could only vote for parties that i 100% agreed with there would be no one to vote for. That is what tends to happen in politics, you vote for the party that comes closest to your overall values. The tories certainly don't match that, where as Labour, lib dems, greens broadly speak the same language as me.

Are tuition fees unfair? Yes, and £3k per year is £3k more than students deserve to pay, but that is 3 times better than the £9k that the tories introduced, and the Labour Party i have been supporting over the past several years have proposed other fairer ways to fund it which are far more reasonable.

As for the war in Iraq and the vote in the commons - the tories voted overwhelmingly in favour of war, Labour obviously backed their own policy but had immense pressure from their own backbenchers (like Corbyn) and their supporters who formed the mass protests, and the lib dems also voted against it. I'm hardly a "Blairite".

I'm guessing you don't vote at all (aside from Brexit of course), as I doubt any political party remotely shares the same values as you.

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