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What was wrong with May's deal?

On 16 Jan 2019 at 10:41am bored2 wrote:
Seemed to fulfill the referendum result yet the original brexit MPs vote it down with some help from the opposition. Would Lewes leave voters have been in favour of the deal and been satisfied it delivered on the referendum?
On 16 Jan 2019 at 11:48am Bert wrote:
It was quite obvious that it meant we didn't leave. The country didn't vote half in half out.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 11:49am Clifford wrote:
The deal was unacceptable to both leavers and remainers (a remarkable achievement) and May's support came largely from the payroll vote. As a leave voter I found the deal to be, as the saying goes, Brexit in name only. The 'backstop' gave the EU Commission a potentially permanent veto over the UK actually leaving.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 12:03pm bored2 wrote:
@Bert How was it obvious? It stopped free movement of people. We would still have access to the free market until we formed a trade deal. On forming a trade deal with the EU we would move further from the EU if we wanted in terms of regulations etc. We could then make trade deals of our own. Isn't this exactly what voting leave meant?

Clifford, what part of the above is unacceptable to leavers? Nobody on TV could answer that yesterday with anything other than a soundbite.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 12:13pm Sleeveless wrote:
Someone on TV early this morning explained the situation perfectly. “If 10 people want to go on holiday together and 3 (The Majority) want to go to France, 2 want to go to India, 2 to Greece, 2 to Spain etc, how do you agree where to go?”.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 1:11pm Clifford wrote:
Bored2 - I said what was unacceptable in my post.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 1:12pm Bert wrote:
Sleevelass = Brexit for idiots !! Apparently, it's all up to us to put forward an amicable solution, then as always they disagree, so we should just say Feck it we will take a hard exit, something they'd don't want either and call their bluff, if THEY don't come up with a better offer, the sun will still rise on the 30th March. What Mrs May has forgotten, in all negotiations, you have to be prepared to walk away. Otherwise it's just called capitulation.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 1:41pm Sleeveless wrote:
Bert, that wouldn’t work would it, given that Parliament has the final vote. Both remainers and leavers voted against the deal last night for their different reasons.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 4:57pm Bert wrote:
That's the problem of decision by committee isn't it ? If the committee can't reach agreement of where to holiday there's no holiday then is there sleeveless. Whereas the country, as a whole, voted to leave. So leave we must.
On 16 Jan 2019 at 4:57pm bored2 wrote:
A permanent veto over us leaving! Keep drinking that anti-eu koolaid. The backstop is bad for them too. What they want to avoid is a hard border. You'd have thought that would be important to our government too? If we're off into the world to sign our own international agreements and become a global player in our own right, maybe our first act shouldn't be to break one of our most important ones? Might make people think twice before doing deals with us?

That's not accurate Bert. They have put forward many possible agreements, see the Barnier staircase for a list of 7 different options varying in range from EEA/EFTA through the various Norway etc options. WE have said no to all of them because apparently they would not be brexit. Despite them all being endorsed by the various leave campaigns during the referendum.
So the EU says, if you are going to reject all our offers show us a deal that doesn't cherry pick the 4 freedoms or create a hard border at Ireland. I.E. not undermine the entire EU or break the Good Friday Agreement. We failed at that.
On 17 Jan 2019 at 8:00am Hugh Janus wrote:
Well if this doesn't get sorted out soon, im off to North Korea.....

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