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Wellington St parking bodge

On 9 Sep 2009 at 11:01am Going Round In Circles wrote:
does anyone know if ESCC have made any provision for residents to park somewhere else whilst every space (apart from the Council owned ones) in Wellington St and outside Gorringes have been simultaneously handed over to a utility provider digging up the rd. There are already problems caused by the North St car park closure, and even ESCC have admitted that. Does anyone talk to each other in that department? They don't seem to be keeping any record of how many spaces they are handing out at any given time. Surely my permit has some kind of contractual obligation in it, that they are at least reasonable in ensuring some kind of balance?
I've got to park somewhere, last night for the second night running it took me 20mins to find anywhere, in a scheme that is supposed to be reduciing driving round town looking for a space! I finally found one a 10minute walk from my home
On 9 Sep 2009 at 2:48pm Cedrick wrote:
Well last night I had to park 10 feet from outside my house. Its ok though because I looked out at 3am and the space right outside was free so I slipped on my identical to my wifes cardigan and moved it to its rightful spot. Ahhh bliss
On 9 Sep 2009 at 3:59pm I dont live in lewes... wrote:
Last night I had 2 cars on the drive way and 3 more parked in the road fronting Maison PhilX.
'Seaford - I like the sound of the word.
It means people can live free, talk free, PARK FREE, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose.
Some words give you a feeling.
Seaford is one of those words that makes me tight in the throat - the same tightness a man gets when his baby takes his first step or his son shaves or makes his first sound like a man.
Some words can give you a feelin' that makes your heart warm.
Seaford is one of those words.
On 9 Sep 2009 at 5:38pm Keeley wrote:
I don't like Seaford much
On 9 Sep 2009 at 7:00pm bluebottle wrote:
seaford is a grim run down place full of smug people who think they cant get parking tickets ..............we get up early lol
On 9 Sep 2009 at 8:55pm Eh? wrote:
enough of the seaford talk, what is gong on now in Lancaster St? are they taking out all the bays while this work is done?
On 9 Sep 2009 at 10:46pm Ape Eel EVERY Tick IT wrote:
we must get rid of this unfair - illegal allegedly too - scheme
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:05am Chav wrote:
Phil, we all know nursing homes have big carparks and your special ferrari shape bed doesnt count. Now go and have a wash, that urine smell is putting me off me brekkie
On 10 Sep 2009 at 9:57am I dont live in lewes... wrote:
You're right Chav.I shouldn't mock you poor sods with no parking.
What's really sad is that you mob have yet to accept that you will NEVER have decent parking, that residents bays will become more expensive and as rare as rocking horse poo, that Lewes businesses need money from those that dwell outside of the town and those people are going elsewhere.
But it's not all doom and gloom. Those nice Councillors that care about you have painted all those bright yellow lines which gives the town a cheery glow.
They blend in well with the Castle and the other historic icons don't you think?
Feel free to vent...
Sorry must go, Nursey has the hot tub ready.
On 10 Sep 2009 at 11:02am Geoff wrote:
I partially agree with you Phil, and Seaford seems very tempting. After all my slippers and pyjamas will fit in a treat, and if they got a jigsaw shop, I would be even more tempted.
However there is lots that ESCC could do, and that our crap Councillors could ask them to do. (sre you sure they are not all asleep in a home in Seaford?) First they could consult residents properly, without the glaring error that was on the original consultation maps, claiming that there would be residents only bays when there arent. Then they could asess the moral requirement to think of permit holders needs, before car park revenue. They could start making proper reccomendations when planning applications arise eg. You can't build a police station on a carpark without providing an alternative while the work is carried out. (instead of a hurriedly thrown together provision after the decision is made) and finally they could have a policy about not issuing endless new permits, and closing of spaces temporarily, without having any idea of the implications.
I believe it is called being 'professional' and 'competent'
Unfortunately our Councillors aseem to be so dim, that they don't even understand how to improve a scheme in the tiniest of ways. There is more talk about the problems with the scheme, and how to improve it on this website than I have seen eminating from any Councillor, despite claims from them that they will do something. It is really rather pathetic.
So how much is an average 3bed house in Seaford......?
On 10 Sep 2009 at 2:03pm I dont live in lewes... wrote:
A 3 Bed Detached in Seaford will certainly be cheaper than Lewes, will probably have a bigger garden and will come with plenty of parking.
Before moving here I lived in Lewes for 40+ years so have knowledge of the town as it was, compared to the town that it now is.
Nestled in the South Downs and with so many buildings of historical interest, how Councillors and alleged Conservationists gave the thumbs up to so many yellow lines and so much street signage I'll never know. Must be using the same rule book as when they granted planning permission for the new buildings at the bottom of John Street (was old scout hut) that rather than fit seamlessly in with its surroundings looks like the proverbial Whore at a Christening.
So many massive cock ups made by so few, but God help any individual in a conservation area who fits a double glazed window and paints their house the wrong colour. Must be using a different rule book.
I don't know why property prices in Lewes remain so inflated, it certainly isn't because of the infra structure or the current look of the place. Locals be thankful for the blinkered DFLs they know no better yet.
Oh! and pray for a dry winter.
Ok you will soon get a big Tesco's... but there are already so many out of town stores where parking is free that people are spoilt for choice so it isn't really any big deal... unless you happen to be a small local traders who, what with the parking problems must soon take to the hills.
When will it reach the stage when the silent majority finally conclude that the Great and the Good that walk amongst us dont give a fiddlers fugg, are either incompetent or short sighted else so politically motivated that the good of the town and its people takes a poor second place.
Move, move while Lewes is in vogue cos it may not last forever.
ps. Have they published details about the parking scheme? Number of tickets issued? Monies collected from meters? from fines? Do the Little Boy Blues have targets? Incentive schemes? Under the freedom of information act you have a right to know... but don't hold your breath.
On 10 Sep 2009 at 7:15pm Lassie wrote:
They don't have targets or bonuses thats illegal
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:00pm Geoff wrote:
Lassie, try finding a a bit more about how it works. Yes no target related bonuses, which is why they have a different method.
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:14pm Lassie wrote:
And what makes you think I don't know how it works? My boyfriend was a warden in Brighton so I know a fair bit.
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:16pm Hedwig wrote:
Quite right, I know that the CEOs in Lewes don't work on commission and its quite widely known anyway that they don't. A rumour fed by people's hatred of them I would imagine.
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:18pm Hedwig wrote:
Whilst we're on the subject, when is this police station being built and is there another car park to replace the north street one being closed??
On 10 Sep 2009 at 8:33pm Keeley wrote:
Little Boy Blues...LOL
On 10 Sep 2009 at 9:24pm Geoff wrote:
I'm sorry your boyfriend didn't explain to you how many employees are given poor shifts, and prevented from gaining work related benefits, if they do not perform to a particular ticket issuing standard. This information came to light when an employee blew the whistle on employment practices within the industry. ESCC have to cancel almost one in three tickets, which indicates clear overzealousness in issuing the things, or blatant incompetence.
Am sorry but the scheme is crap, the company blatantly disinterested in residents, and if it makes you feel better, i would never blame the wardens of this improper arrangement.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 9:30am BRIXTON BELLE wrote:
Seems to me that if the parking scheme were abolished, people and traders would be much happier. OR WOULD THEY ? Obviously the parking scheme is flawed and needs a rethink. But as car ownership and usage goes up would residents really appreciate not being able to park near their homes at all, whilst out of towners, DFL'S and other hate-figures on this thread came and took their spaces for free ? Would people come to Lewes if the parking was free for all ? would it really be easier to shop or would you have even more cars cloggng the high street, double parking, pulling over randomly to jump out and buy / make a delivery ? Surely we should be encouraging less car usage, more public transport, safer streets. For those individuals that love their cars and believe they have the right to use them when where and how they want, think again - it's people that matter, not cars or car parking spaces. We should be reclaiming the streets for pedestrians. Instead of whinging about parking schemes, how about campaigning for more public transport and more pedestrianised areas so that people can enjoy this lovely town on foot ?
On 11 Sep 2009 at 10:37am Geoff wrote:
Many good points, that should have been discussed within the context of a proper consultation based on accurate information about the scheme. No inaccurate and misleading information that has resulted in a flawed scheme based on sand instead of rock.
Just one thing. It is not helpful to polarise peope into groups of pedestrian environment lovers, and selfish car users.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 12:22pm brixtonbelle wrote:
I agree Geoff about polarising people, but pedestrian environment lovers and selfish car users are your terms, not mine. I don't fall neatly into either category and loathe Jeremy Clarkson but enjoy watching Top Gear and love driving my car, whilst also loving walking as much as I can. I'm also in favour of parking schemes and strict speed restrictions, because I think we have to limit the dominance of the car for many reasons other than (but including) environmental. Essentially I believe car use (imho) has destroyed communities and we need to limit it - but for most people this will only happen when they are faced with a monetary incentive or disincentive.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 5:30pm Lassie wrote:
My bf tells me everything thanks, and he honestly doesn't know what on earth you're talking about. Incentive schemes or bonuses are strictly not allowed, in NCP anyway. I also happen to be friends with a couple of the CEOs in Lewes and there has not and never has been "targets" or commission, so before being so patronizing with someone maybe you should check your facts or at least try working for the compnay before casting judgement.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 5:34pm Ex CEO wrote:
"They're given poor shifts or prevented from gaining benefits" what utter nonsense
On 11 Sep 2009 at 5:51pm Hedwig wrote:
So does anyoen know about the north st car park?
On 11 Sep 2009 at 8:04pm Geoff wrote:
HI Lassie. I know what I am talking about, and am sorry you don't understand.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 8:35pm Ed Can Do wrote:
If there are no incentives to give out tickets, why do ESCC end up paying back so many of them? If the wardens aren't giving out nonsense ones for profit, are they giving them out because they're malicious or because they're badly trained or stupid?
On 11 Sep 2009 at 11:27pm Lassie wrote:
Hi Geoff, I don't think you do personally and I'm sorry you seem so bitter. And Ed no they're not stupid at all, its just a flawed scheme like everything else in this country. Get over it.
On 11 Sep 2009 at 11:39pm Keeley wrote:
Bloody hell, people have been over this a thousand times already, they don't get commission!! Leave em alone they're all right a bit ruthless though.
On 12 Sep 2009 at 11:34am Geoff wrote:
As I have already said, they don't get commission, and the wardens are not to blame from this crap schem. Lassie, I am really pleased that you and your boyf are not aware of the seedier side of how parking schemes operate. I suggest you keep it like that, because it is less depressing, but please don't undermine people who have the publicly available evidence you have not seen. The normal reaction to identified flaws (you agree the scheme is flawed) is to try and correct them, I am sure you would be happy to enjoy the benefits if your fellow residents improved the scheme, and your boyf's working conditions were improved. If you are interested in finding out a bit more about what exactly is going on, i suggest you ask ESCC if you can see some of the cancelled tickets that have been issued. You might be rather surprised.
On 16 Sep 2009 at 1:17pm SG wrote:
Stop bickering.
I feel bad for traffic wardens, except the ones who make it obvious that they've enjoyed giving you a ticket.

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