On 18 Jan 2012 at 11:47pm SOM wrote:
I am also sick of hearing about the handouts that the government seem to what to dish out... I work blooming hard to run a business and when all said and done I would like to say that I may take £20k-¬£25k a year out as takings if I am lucky.
If its a tight month then I may well put money back in just to keep things paid.
It really p-ss me off when I hear on the radio today that a Big Issue seller is claiming benefits and is getting ¬£25k a year .. FFS what is going on ?
If I miss one VAT return I get my balls kicked and its hard to keep on top and keep people in work .
The Question is (1) why should I bother trying to keep it going
(2)Over the years we have paid more TAX than I wish to look at ...
so is it fair that I get dragged over hot coals for falling behind with a small amount of TAX but work hard and don't draw from a company to keep others in work.
Or is it fair that a Big Issue seller does 2 days a week and gets ¬£25k a year help from the government.
If we could get half that back from the government a year to our business we could keep maybe 2 guys in work .. (Guys that want to work and not claim benefits)
Guys that feel to ashamed to say they are out of work.
not the fat over weight slobs that suck the system dry and have never done a single days work in there life .... its all so so wrong .
we need to reward people that try and not the low life that can't even be bothered to get their fat bums out of bed.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 4:13am Dingo wrote:
Your absolutely right mate why don`t you pack the whole thing in a become an alcoholic tramp they get all their booze clothes and sex free!How good is that?Or alternatively you could feign metal illness or epilepsy or cancer or something and you could have caviar,smoked salmon ,the finest wines and champagnes forced down your gullet by huge breasted nurse in topless uniforms and after they finished masturbating you they`d be stuffing your pockets with £50 notes all paid for by the tax payer, bloody fantastic isn`t it Eh!Go for it mate get you share you deserve it you`ve worked hared enough why should the spongers enjoy all the good things! pack it all in what`s the point of working eh?
On 19 Jan 2012 at 7:08am Paul Newman wrote:
The welfare state is certainly in desperate need of reform and people on low incomes are always the ones who dislike its obvious unfairness the most. Its not an easy problem but I think the sort of arrogant attitude Dingo has towards working people who think they have more than earnt their money is loathsome.
Dingo is right that hand out Britain is a miserable dehumanised place.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 8:27am DFL wrote:
When is this coalition government going to get people back in to work then Paul ?
On 19 Jan 2012 at 9:26am Clifford wrote:
Good question DFL. Unemployment will go up until wages are low enough to persuade employers it's worth taking people on. And, of course, the low paid's wages will then have to be topped up by the famous in-work benefits. Paul Newman and SOM will then be able to claim about their tax going to support employers who don't pay a living wage. Capitalism is a wonderful scam.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 3:06pm Dingo wrote:
Spot on as usual Clifford.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 3:54pm Mercian wrote:
What a bunch of wingers.
We are the seventh biggest economy in the world, the sixth biggest manufacturing nation, we have four of the world's top ten universities, produce some of the world's greatest minds and inventions and have some of the most beautiful countryside on the planet. We have created one of the most tolerant and reasonable societies in the world, to boot. All despite being a slightly damp island on the fringe of Europe.
Okay, we have a mindset to complain and a press (notably the Daily Mail) which is decidedly of the glass-half-empty not the glass-half-full variety. There are serious issues with public finance, the NHS is unsustainable and the welfare state is rotten - although the oddB case of extreme payments is fairly irrelevant to the bigger issues of work disincentives and benefit dependency. But we live in a pretty wonderful country, and we are damn lucky to live here in a world in which most people struggle in abject poverty. Especially given we live in one of the most beautiful and affluent towns in it.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 4:05pm not from around here wrote:
I'm with you Mercian. It's a great country.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 5:31pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
If this lady is the same one the Daily Heil ran a story about yesterday, I believe she has 3 children, one of whom is disabled.
A disabled child is entitled to up to £125 pw, or ¬£6k approx pa in disabilty living allowance, which is paid to the parent. Because of the disabled child, the parent are entitled to ¬£56pw (nearly ¬£2.5k pa) in carer's allowance plus an additonal ¬£3-4k in child tax credits because the child is disabled. So as much as ¬£12.5k in those benefits could be because of the additonal costs in caring for a disabled child.
The balance is probably child benefit, which every parent is entitled to, and housing benefit. When there is a disabled child in the family the threshold at which HB is no longer payable is higher than normal. A property big enough for a family with 3 children is likely to cost close to ¬£1k a month if they are renting privately practically anywhere in the south east.
Most parents of children with disabilities, I'm sure, would happily forego the extra money to have a child that is fit and healthy. It would cost far more than ¬£25k pa to keep a disabled child in residential care, so that almost certainly represents a saving to the public purse.
And on carer's allowance, you are allowed to work for up to 16 hours pw as long as you don't earn over ¬£95.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 6:39pm bastian wrote:
trolling is so boring, he doesn't have a grounding in real life that is obvious.
On 19 Jan 2012 at 8:27pm Dingo wrote:
No apparently he has a little business pulling crap out of dog`s bums.I`ve seen him around town.
On 20 Jan 2012 at 8:39am Brixtonbelle wrote:
Thanks ACT, for explaining the benefits system and how it breaks down, and how someone might acrue what initially seems to be a large amount of money. Very informative and much more to the point than the generalisations that get spouted on this forum about benefit scroungers.
To SOM - if you want more help financially I suggest you lobby the Tory government. I believe they are the party of small businesses, but it doesn't sound likeyou get much support. Do you get any tax incentives for example ??
On 20 Jan 2012 at 12:54pm not from around here wrote:
Surely the key point here is one of fairness or 'perceived' fairness. I think SOM is wrong about the UK dying but he/she obviously feels that they work hard with little in return and leaves him/her with a bad taste in the mouth.
I am also self-employed (as is Dingo I believe) and indeed it does seem as though there are others who do little but have considerably more disposable income than me. Whether that's actually as true as it appears is another matter.
The reality of unfairness and the perception of apparent unfairness needs to be addressed.
Small business people are subject to too much red-tape and pay too much in tax. There are moves to separate small self employed individuals from the cover-all description of 'small business' which is way too broad at present to give meaningful targeted help to the sole traders and micro businesses out there.
Controversially I would like to see min wage reduced or scrapped for micro businesses such as mine (businesses with less than a certain number of employees) - I could then take-on the people I want to and expand - something which I can't do at the moment due to the lack of flexibility imposed by min wage requirements.
On 20 Jan 2012 at 1:47pm Dingo wrote:
There are people who do little and have considerably more than you but generaly not the selleres of the big issue.Bankers ,estate agents,Aristos politicians etc,yes.As for reducing peoples wages that`s already happening, inflation is greater than any percieved rise in wages, minimum or otherwise.I hope you are doing well, but most small businesses are doing very badly as a result of there being less money in peoples pockets due to the present govt`s failing economic dogma.You`v heard of the Keynesian multiplier?well the Tories have introduced the exact opposite which could be called the Osbornian Subtractor ,it`s pretty simple ,really do the math, as The yanks would say!All the best Dingo.
On 21 Jan 2012 at 1:59pm not from around here wrote:
Yes Dingo, fair point about there being plenty of people who don't work hard and yet get 'loadsa-money'. But at least if somebody is overpaid by their employer they contribute to the pot via their taxes. Problem with people who do little AND don't work is that they don't contribute anything to the finances of the country.
Am I doing well? Well I'm not doing any worse than I have been over the last 15 years I suppose, but I think there are things that could be done to help people like me generate more employment and that would hopefully make my business grow.
On 21 Jan 2012 at 8:34pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
People not in work still contribute financially every time they buy something on which VAT or other taxes/duties are paid.
On 21 Jan 2012 at 10:25pm Jean Etique wrote:
But not enough!!!
On 23 Jan 2012 at 3:36am not from around here wrote:
ACT don't be daft. Yes they do contribute via VAT but the money they have in the first place comes straight out of government coffers rather than paid by an employer. Surely you can see the difference?? One is a direct cost to the country - the unemployed one, in case I really have to spell it out.
On 24 Jan 2012 at 7:33pm SOM wrote:
Well said Not from around here... I wrote the same post ... But it did not upload..
Benefits are not your own money to start with..... the government should not give out money as benefits but food vouchers , and pay rent directly so the money can't be wasted on booze , ciggys and things like sky tv..
On 24 Jan 2012 at 8:42pm bastian wrote:
housing benefit cannot be used as anything else but rent. have you considered the private landlords who have their mortgages paid for by the tax you pay..doesn't it make you sick that you didn't think of that fiddle first?
On 24 Jan 2012 at 10:31pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I know of many cases where private landlords, on learning that a tenant is on HB, have jacked the rent up to the maximum allowed under the rules, knowing that the extra will be covered without any hassle.
The rate at which HB is lost as income rises makes it very difficult for people to get back to work. They lose 65% of all the extra income, and no allowance is made for work-related expenses such as fares. You never hear any politicans suggesting reducing the rate of clawback as a back to work incentive though, just cutting benefits more.
On 25 Jan 2012 at 3:25pm bastian wrote:
This is so far down the messages I think it's worth starting a new thread...coming Annette?