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UKIP, just loons or something more sinister?

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On 20 Sep 2013 at 2:28pm UKIP and I`ll stay awake wrote:
UKIP`s Nigel Farage has been accused of singing Nazi songs whilst marching through a Sussex village as a schoolboy.
Many see his party as inherently racist following comments about" Bongo Bongo land"and the resignation of councillors for allegedly racist remarks.
With Donna Edmunds likely to be the UKIP MEP candidate in our area, are potential UKIP voters supping with the devil?(metaphorically speaking of course)
*please note the Devil is not beardy weird with horns ,a pitchfork and a tail and would not necessarily vote UKIP in elections,In fact he has consistently been a card carrying Tory in the past.
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On 20 Sep 2013 at 2:35pm UKIP and I`ll stay awake wrote:
Murky past or youthfull indiscretions?

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On 20 Sep 2013 at 2:41pm UKIP and I`ll stay awake wrote:
Dangerous or laughable?

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On 20 Sep 2013 at 6:22pm UKIP wrote:
Big pro fracking thumbs up from UKIP.Fracking will make Britain rich.

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On 20 Sep 2013 at 6:26pm Twisted sister wrote:
I`m sure that will be a vote winner in Barcombe.
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On 20 Sep 2013 at 7:23pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
There's a BNP-lite element to UKIP, along with Tories who think Cameron's too wet. As for Donna Edmunds, she lost my vote the moment an Ayn Rand poster appeared in the background of her video. But although they may be a motley bunch, they're successful because they dare to address issues that the main parties shy away from.
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On 20 Sep 2013 at 11:05pm Note from History wrote:
Just watch Hitlers Rise - The Colour Years on 4OD. It wasn't too long before he gained real "power" when the majority of Germans were calling him and his party laughable.
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On 21 Sep 2013 at 12:15am The Old Mayor wrote:
Of course, it's always dangerous when there aren't any real choices, that's when the protest votes can backfire. No serious policitians to choose from in any party, let alone a real leader. Still it's early days yet, someone decent might throw their hat in yet ! Then again with so little decent choice means the voters don't turn out, only the fanatics !
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On 21 Sep 2013 at 12:49am What a bunch of Muppets wrote:
Like rats in a barrel.

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On 21 Sep 2013 at 8:06am Phfellow2004 wrote:
I continue to be amazed that such a large percentage of the electorate seem to be minded to vote for UKIP. The party is led by a good communicator who possesses populist ideas but there it stops because the party contains no depth of skills and abilities to be a realistic alternative government. You might as well replace the letters UKIP on the ballot paper with 'Protest Vote about Anything and Everything'. This might suit a lot of folk but voting this way for UKIP at the next General Election will substantially increase the possibility of giving the keys of No 10 & 11 Downing Street to Ed Miliband and Ed Balls....the disciples of Gordon Brown. We would be mad to give the keys back to those who helped to drive the car into the ditch in the fiorst place particularly as the economy is now beginning to recover slowly under the stewardship of the Coalition..........which has actually not turned out a bad thing after all!
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On 21 Sep 2013 at 1:42pm Despairing voter wrote:
Donna Edmunds thinks Godfrey Bloom is great, and her Facebook page promote his thoughts. The BBC clip of him 'not remembering' making a joke about women being sluts, and then trying to suggest a journalist is racist for asking why there are no black people on a UKIP candidate covered in people's faces, is chilling. UKIP thinks Mr Bloom is great and have let him be a senior and influential member. People who have been supporting UKIP need to look at what they are actually endorsing, not what they think they are endorsing.
The other parties should be ashamed they are so awful that people are looking to UKIP at all.
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On 21 Sep 2013 at 5:52pm desparing voter wrote:
that is a UKIP 'leaflet, by the way, not candidate, but predictive text early can be unintentionally accurate sometimes....
 
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On 21 Sep 2013 at 7:25pm Mavis wrote:
That's the point.....it's a protest vote to the main parties, they'll take much more notice than a no vote or a spoiled paper !!
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On 22 Sep 2013 at 1:12am Bloomin' awful wrote:
Its not a protest vote if the party you are protest-voting with is even worse than the existing ones. I always vote for who I think is the best party, even if I think they are going through a terrible patch. Otherwise you end up with with someone completely unsuitable getting in by accident, or as you might call it 'a protest' .
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On 22 Sep 2013 at 4:21am Voice of Reason wrote:
If UKIP get into power, the sensible thing to do is join up, infiltrate the upper echelons and denounce party leaders with fabricated stories until they get executed.
You know that Nigel Farage? His grandmother was Jewish.
 
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 10:41am queequeg wrote:
As if no other party has mavericks with strange senses of humour. Have none of you read the McBride revelations? Have we not just experienced the unmasking of 650 of the most self serving "servants of the public" with the expenses saga?
Have we forgotten the brown envelopes filled with cash for questions under Major?
No one expects UKIP to form a government. But when a very large section of opinion is ignored and vilified by all the other parties then a vote for UKIP is seen as a way of forcing the others to take that opinion seriously.
As well as the main policy, the policy to establish a sovereign wealth fund is a serious attempt to change things for the better. Imagine how we would have faced up to the current economic crisis if this had been established with the revenue from the North Sea and if all governments had balanced the budget over the long term.
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 11:39am Sensible wrote:
so however disgusting a new party is, you would vote for it as a protest against the existing ones, even if it might get in?
Here is a thing, how about trying to improve a party which actually has a lost of good things in it, and people, even if not perfect?
I suggest watching a programme about the rise of fascism, before you endorse disillusioned voters voting for a minority party as a 'protest'
 
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 1:49pm queequeg wrote:
Disgusting is a bit strong isn't it? I know who I would prefer to meet in the pub, it would be Nigel not Sensible.
All this because Bloom makes a really lame joke about the women in his own party not being up to cleaning behind the fridge.
Sensible you have fallen for the media attack. There are thousands of party workers in the three main parties researching the pasts of all UKIP members to discredit them. Most of the media is partisan enough to do that for them as well. You can overlook the enormous failings of the three main parties I mentioned above if you like but none of them have anything to be proud of.
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 3:22pm Tom Thumb wrote:
Fee Fi Fo Fum .I smell the blood of a UKIP man!
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 4:08pm Sensible wrote:
No Quuequeg, ' I said however disgusting a party is'. There is a difference. However, since we are talking about deeply unpleasant things I have read UKIP's nasty literature, and watched their terrible interviews. Donna Edmunds, who has endless amounts of things to say, is a great example. Her dislike of immigrants is poorly disguised. I am sure a psychiatrist would have something to say about the possible connection between her prejudice against immigrants, and her statement that her family are....immigrants from Russia.

 
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 6:27pm queequeg wrote:
But Sensible you are still going for the personal attack rather than a reasoned argument against what they propose. Personal attacks are the equivalent of shooting the messenger for the message he brings, it tells me you have no argument.
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 6:43pm WeKnow who you are. wrote:
That's a rather hysterical response is'nt it Mr UKIP (queeqeg)
 
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 8:30pm Billy the yid wrote:
Oh yes the current popularity of Ukip is directly comparable to the rise of fascism eighty years ago
Brown is such a nice colour for a shirt, doncha think? ;-)
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On 23 Sep 2013 at 11:56pm Sensible wrote:
Quuegueg, it is not a personal attack to quote self promotional literature, that is posted on a publicly accessible Facebook page, and Youtube.I note that you do not explain why someone stating that they are from an immigrant family, would post anti-immigration information as electioneering information. It is disturbing.
I also notice that UKIP has a habit of trying to attack sensible arguments, with illogical ones. If you do not like what I have to say about Donna Edmunds, then you cannot like what she says herself. I notice that as a UKIP election candidate, she has not removed her support for Godfrey Bloom, and you don't seem to be worried by him either.
 
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On 24 Sep 2013 at 9:43am queequeg wrote:
I have no interest in Donna who is just another self serving politician, as indeed they all are. It would be a good idea to go back to the practices of ancient Rome when a general (I forget his name) was summoned from his plough to defend the republic (successfully) and then returned to his plough. In other words if you want to stand for office you should be automatically eliminated.
As I said I don't think anyone expects UKIP to form a government but by getting the other parties to take notice of another point of view they are achieving a great deal. At the moment the other parties are only giving lip service to the UKIP ideas, after next May they may have to change their actual policies.
The concern of UKIP other than leaving the EU is to stop immigration from Eastern Europe because it is proving too much of a strain on our society and changing our society too much. This is not racism and you do everyone who holds this view a disservice by calling it that. It is MPs who lose their jobs or have to settle for less money because Eastern Europeans are willing to work for less. This is why Labour are losing out to UKIP just as much as the Tories.
Bloom is not the devil incarnate simply for expressing himself in an old fashioned way. Does it really make sense for us to borrow money to send to Nigeria which is starting its own space programme and which has billions of oil revenue.
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On 24 Sep 2013 at 11:56am sensible wrote:
...no it is prejudice, which is exactly the same problem. There is no evidence that Eastern Europeans are putting any more strain on our society, than any of the other massive changes in population over the centuries. Indeed, the evidence shows the exact reverse of your belief. What you are saying is that people, like UKIP candidate Donna Edmunds, with her immigrant background, are a problem.
...and no Bloom is not the devil incarnate, he is a man with problems, and what looks to me like a disturbing anger management issue (see BBC footage ) which is why it is so terrifying to see him at the head of a political party getting votes....
..except as of now, he isn't. he is now turning his dislike of people onto UKIP now , which he now says he was thinking of leaving anyway....


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On 24 Sep 2013 at 5:30pm Jeremy Clarkson. wrote:
Bloom was only saying what many of us think and now he is being victimised by the liberal mediaand the Tory establishment. smear machine.
Thank God Donna Edmunds is standing by him.That`s the kind of MEP we all want to see.
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On 24 Sep 2013 at 5:45pm Sensible wrote:
Bloom may have been saying what you think, but please do not speak for me.I have my own mind, and do not need the media or you, to interpret his words. I am glad that Donna Edmunds is standing by him, as it tells us all we need to know.
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On 24 Sep 2013 at 6:44pm Jeremy Clarkson wrote:
The problem with you fanatical lefties as I have pointed out elswhere on this forum is that you have no sense of humour.
Geoffrey Bloom`s remark about sluts was a joke as was his bongo bongo land remark.We can`t even make a joke in what has become a humour free politicaly correct dictatorship.Thank God for those nor prepared to put up with it any more.Long may they prosper.
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On 24 Sep 2013 at 7:16pm sensible wrote:
Ah bless, you think I am a fanatical leftie. Never mind, you are clearly just someone who is very confused. Feel free to live in loony la-la -land, it is probably the best place for you. You see I just made an un-PC joke about mental health, the difference being that I am not trying to get elected. UKIP , unpleasant, and incompetent.
Good bye. :-)
 
 
On 25 Sep 2013 at 11:22pm JC style joke wrote:
Donna Edmunds? Isn't she a whore?


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