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UKIP in Lewes ?

On 15 Apr 2011 at 6:56am Paul Newman wrote:
There is an article here about how UKIP may make big strides at the local elections. With Dave making immigration speeches the Lisbon betrayal and the well know anger at what New Labour did to the country in ten years of mutliculturalist dogma. perhaps it is the moment for UKIP . I would have thought Lewes and area might be fertile territory for an anti EU, National interest Party without any taint of Fascism ,socialist or racist. Frankly I `d be tempted myself .
Peter Charlton was the candidate is he involved ? Are UKIP doing much locally ?
I thought Peter seemed nice guy the moment when , at a hustings he was attacked for having no women candidates and responded that they had a trans-sexual MEP was priceless.

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On 15 Apr 2011 at 6:58am Paul Newman wrote:
I thought Peter seemed nice guy .The moment when , at a hustings he was attacked for having no women candidates and responded that they had a trans-sexual MEP was priceless
ooops full stop need there I think.It was funny though
On 15 Apr 2011 at 8:21am MC wrote:
Many if the land owners around here lean towards UKIP. There's a list of people who fund the party floating around. I wouldn't call it a party of the people exactly.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 8:29am Vesbod wrote:
UKIP = BNP in sheep's clothing - keep away ! We need a party that has the concerns of it's locals in mind, with one eye on how these fit in with the rest of the country. BTW, the global economy is here to stay, feudalism is dead, long live multicultural cross border co-operation !
On 15 Apr 2011 at 8:43am 'ere be monsters wrote:
Isn't UKIP only against belonging to and against the waste and corruption of the EU. Isn't that laudable, but hardly anything to do with local politics.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 9:37am bloke wrote:
@Paul Newman. Given the contents of most of your posts on here I'm not surprised that UKIP appeals to you. But you should be careful before you lend them your support. The leadership are a bunch of crooks and cooks epitomised by mad Lord Monckton who is their deputy leader and misogynist loon Godfrey Bloom. You would be well advised to look at the "Junius on UKIP" blog which has been exposing fraudulent and unethical behaviour within UKIP for years. See the attached link.

Incidentally Nikki Sinclaire the transsexual MEP you speak of had the UKIP whip withdrawn last year because of her refusal to go along with UKIP's membership of the far-right Europe of Freedom and Democracy grouping. See h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Sinclaire

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On 15 Apr 2011 at 9:50am bloke wrote:
Nikki Sinclaire has also accused Bloom and Farage of sexism and homophobia and won a sex discrimination case.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 10:42am Paul Newman wrote:
Vesbod - There is not free movement of Labour nor should there be , people are not goods or numbers on a screen , they have roots and lives and it is from this that prosperity ultimately derives. The market is powerful tool , like a combine harvester. We live in gardens not agri industrial deserts.
UKIP is certainly not anything to do with the BNP , essentially it is the far right of the Conservative Party and as such more free market more conservative and more National . Plenty of contradictions there but it is not a socialist Party , a racist Party or a revolutionary Party .
If you start calling people that you happen to disagree with racists and fascists then you go down a dangerous road.
*wags finger reprovingly *
Heed my words
On 15 Apr 2011 at 11:06am Paul Newman wrote:
Bloke -On the necessity of aligning with odd Parties in Europe this only shows that the UK cannot make its case , EU democracy is a mirage and that Nations are too different to be herded into a dated post war project currently failing in every conceivable way whilst forcing us to allow criminals to vote for the House Breaking and comfy cell Party. The right of France and Germany are pro EU conceiving of it as a means of projecting power abroad not to say suiting their pockets .
On 15 Apr 2011 at 11:52am jrsussex wrote:
Bloke - I'm really not sure you can put the charge of "a bunch of crooks" against any one political party as a reason not to support them. I think it applies to all parties in that they all appear to have a few "Arthur Daley's" in their ranks. Hence the expense's scandal.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 2:15pm Vesbod wrote:
Paul Newman - you sound a tad brainwashed ! (but each to his/her own I guess) UKIP being on the far right of conservatism is the same as the left of BNP ! We need the best of a mix of Lib/Lab/Con(left) i.e. stay in the centre somewhere and blend in with all comers - a global approach is the only way, we MUST live in harmony with all nationals, end of.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 2:51pm bloke wrote:
JRSussex. I can't disagree with you. There are crooks and cooks in every party. Politics attracts the power hungry and those on the take. Still UKIP take the biscuit. They have many many former activists who have become very disillusioned with UKIP because of it's failure to clean its own house. The corruption within the party is endemic from Farage and his cronies down.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 3:52pm Paul Newman wrote:
Hmmm the problem is that UKIP is the subject of nutty leftist sore buttocked web warriors and its hard to know how seriously to take it .I do seem to recall , however ,that UKIP have had some pretty odd characters involved and its not altogether my cup of tea
Vesbod - Harmony is something that happens when distinct notes are played with the distance between them properly organised . What you are describing is a mess .
On 15 Apr 2011 at 4:19pm MC wrote:
Perhaps not harmony but involving discussion, consideration, compromise and cooperation. The sort of governing relationship between out politicians that a good proportional representative system could encourage. Unlike the useless, confrontational, childish baying relationships that the first past the post system has fostered in our (globally embarrassing) house of commons.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 5:03pm Vesbod wrote:
Second that MC.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 6:52pm Paul Newman wrote:
Well that depends if you want choice accountability and vigorous debate or not Perhaps we should dispense with that irksome business of defence and prosecution as well its embarrassing the way they keep disagreeing . Obviously what we need a small group of people who know best and can be trusted to have a quiet chat and get it right
Compromise is not, in any case, always the best or most popular idea . Some say we drive on the right , some say the left others say a bit of each and they are best ignored.
On 15 Apr 2011 at 10:24pm MC wrote:
Vigorous debate? What tosh. Braying, antagonistic name calling is a much more accurate description.
And the drive on the left, drive on the right analogy is so dumb its patronising.

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