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Thing at the Elephant Tonight

On 25 May 2016 at 8:49am pn wrote:
Can anyone go to this ? I would quite to explain a few things to the visiting Boffin- Simon Hix so I am thinking of blundering in and wagging my finger a bit ...
Whats the story do you need a ticket or do you have to belong to one of those clubs ( The headstrong club and the other one )
The Brexit Debate: What are the arguments, and who will win?
Professor Simon Hix
London School of Economics
A joint event between the Lewes Skeptics in the Pub and The Headstrong Club
As the UK approaches the EU referendum the polls suggest a close race. What’s clearer though is that the vast majority of people feel woefully under-informed about the key issues. So how do we navigate our way through the issues and the, often passionate, declarations made by the different sides? Simon will explain the main political and economic claims from the Remain and Leave sides in the campaign and evaluate the evidence supporting them. He will also analyse the state of public opinion, explaining why some opinion polls are more trustworthy than others. He will look at who is likely to vote to Leave and who is likely to vote to Remain, and who are the swing voters. From this analysis he will consider who is likely to win on 23 June and what the implications might be for Britain and Europe. This talk is part of a wider initiative by the ‘UK in a Changing Europe Project’. This initiative is intended to promote high-quality and independent research into relationship between the UK and the EU. It provides non-partisan information, insights and analysis about UK-EU relations that stands aside from the politics surrounding the debate
On 25 May 2016 at 9:00am Mark wrote:
I believe that the normal thing is that you can pay a small one-off fee on the night if you don't wish to join the Headstrong.
On 25 May 2016 at 9:40am mark2 wrote:
I believe it's sold out. ring the pub.
On 25 May 2016 at 10:31am Skeptic wrote:
This is actually a SitP (Skeptics in the Pub) event, co-hosted with the Headstrong club and marks SitP's return to the Lewes scene.

This was mooted as a topic because we - the organisers - were heartily sick of the ridiculous debate being conducted on either side of the debate, where the rhetoric is absurdly extreme and is doing nothing for anyone who would actually like to base their decision on evidence and facts.

You're welcome to turn up in case ticket-holders don't show, but the event has been sold out for a couple of weeks.
On 25 May 2016 at 10:59am Mark wrote:
Oh dear Paul, they're now saying that ridiculous doomsday logic based on guesswork is unwelcome. Perhaps they'll be something good on the telly.
On 25 May 2016 at 11:56am sensible wrote:
Watch this brilliant video by Dan Hannan on what a post brexit UK would look like. It is only the remains who are absurd.

Watch the video »
On 25 May 2016 at 12:07pm Redballs wrote:
Paul I think there might be a re-run of "Benefits Street" on tonight.
On 25 May 2016 at 12:38pm pn wrote:
I think
"where the rhetoric is absurdly extreme and is doing nothing for anyone who would actually like to base their decision on evidence and facts. .."
Ha ha ha Has to be a Brexiteer ...for them 'parity' would be major result their "arguments " have been laughed off the stage and they are now down to stirring up anti immigrant feeling .......
Its the sort of mind that works like this
ME" No the earth is not flat it just isn`t"
BREXITEER " Well that may be your elitist assumption but you have provided no evidence "
ME" Honestly , for you to be right everything we know about everything ever would have to be wrong please stop this rubbish.."
BREXITEER "Oh come come what you call facts are really only opinions and in my view extreme ones , a lot of folk would just like to see some honest debate on the issue ...for example Professor Never-eard -of -im has published this broadside to your whole round earthist theory and speaking for myself I am sick of so called clever people telling me what to think ....and on and on and on......
.....and so we see there is a lot to be said on both sides of the shape of the earth debate ..
On 25 May 2016 at 1:11pm Corbynista wrote:
Very well put Paul.They are now slagging off the I.F.S.! Perhaps the most respected and independent forecasting body in the country.Just how low and stupid can the absurd Brexiteers go!
On 25 May 2016 at 1:18pm sensible wrote:
You two are monumentally dim.
On 25 May 2016 at 1:23pm Skeptic wrote:
Nope. As it happens I'm very firmly a Remainer. However the response - that because I think the debate's been extreme and full of wild claims I must be on the opposite side to you, whichever that is - demonstrates precisely why we need a sober debate based on real evidence and verifiable facts. At the moment, if I were undecided, I would be shouting "a plague on both your houses" and refusing to vote at all.
On 25 May 2016 at 1:37pm Sensible wrote:
Why would anyone bother going to an event organised by a 'firm remainer' who clearly doesn't understand the topic.
In saying that both camps have been comparable in their fear stories is laughable.
Here's a hint: it's about hard won democracy, parliamentary sovereignty and the ability to hold the powerful to account and to remove them peacefully through the ballot box.
None of those things is possible within the EU.
On 25 May 2016 at 1:40pm Skeptic wrote:
Thank you "sensible". I rest my case.
On 25 May 2016 at 1:49pm sensible wrote:
Thank you for proving beyond doubt your ignorance of the question and inability to debate.
Good luck preaching to the choir tonight.
On 25 May 2016 at 1:49pm No EU here wrote:
We are not interested in this sham discussion because it was funded by the EU proganda machine.how much are they being paid to organize this Eh? your fooling nobody you traitors
On 25 May 2016 at 3:00pm pn wrote:
ignore the web saddos skeptic -its great that you organise such events whatever your view . I must get myself organised and start going.
On 25 May 2016 at 4:33pm Not quite sensible wrote:
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with Sensible, he will just retort with insults...
On 25 May 2016 at 4:51pm sensible wrote:
You stinking traitors.No one is interested in your EU sponsored talking shop.
On 25 May 2016 at 5:07pm 8 miles from home wrote:
Stay in and watch last nights documentary Last Whites of the East End on BBC iplayer. That will show you where this country is heading.
On 25 May 2016 at 5:31pm Dexter wrote:
On 25 May 2016 at 6:18pm expat wrote:
Southern Spain?
On 28 May 2016 at 11:47pm Old Maurice wrote:
Let's get out while we've got the chance.

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