On 9 Aug 2009 at 10:49pm trevor wrote:
Its Sunday night so loads of underage drinkers heading to the Snowdrop,being aggressive, damaging property. The police are about, I wish they would just close it down. Its had its day,its never going to be a decent local again. Rubbish.
On 10 Aug 2009 at 7:48am Sam Spam wrote:
sorry to hear that.....another institution seems to have been lost to some people's inability to have a nice evening drink then go home sensibly.
If you go on the sussex plod website you can report your feelings there and it will probably get a response - these things are all about raising the "temperature" locally so they can get funding and resources to do something. That's what we have found in Pells and I'm sure it will help over in Cliffe. Best of luck!
On 10 Aug 2009 at 9:07am sashimi wrote:
Trevor, you're just getting old and you forget how badly you used to behave when you were that age. Live and let others live a little like you used to. Don't pick up the phone and dial 999 every time you hear some yoof mouthing off in the street - unless you really see them doing damage and you are prepared to take a complaint all the way to court.
On 10 Aug 2009 at 10:09am trevor wrote:
Sashimi, I'm all for live and let live, what I don't like is naked aggression which you seem to think is acceptable just because they are young. And yes i did get off my face at their age but that didn't make me want to punch anybody quite the opposite infact, but then my drug of choice wasn't alcohol.
On 10 Aug 2009 at 11:02am PC Plod wrote:
You are suffering from marijuana psychosis old boy. We can't nick you for that but you
probably think everybody is out to get you. Put your comments on the web site, we like a laugh on a Monday.
Who had all the HobNobs, sarge. Morning all.
On 10 Aug 2009 at 12:23pm Rozzer wrote:
Even so, the Snowdrop was once an excellent pub, one of the best that end of Lewes. What went wrong?
On 10 Aug 2009 at 1:24pm two faced wrote:
yes but trevor you have no manners, do you !
On 10 Aug 2009 at 3:28pm Ed Can Do wrote:
What went wrong primarily was it being taken over by a couple of drug dealers back in the day. Nice enough blokes but they didn't really attract the sort of crowd condusive to a friendly pub atmosphere. Also, it was about the same time that Ben and Viv took over the Lansdown and most of the Snowy crowd started drinking there instead. As soon as most of the clientele leave, there's no atmosphere so nobody wants to walk all that way to an empty pub. Since then, they've had a set of owners do a runner with the money and the new guy, who again is nice enough, doesn't really know what he's doing. Plus, he doesn't operate the pubwatch scheme so the people who primarily go there are those barred from every other pub in town.
Pubs change though, it happens all the time. The Elly used to be a pretty rough and unpleasant pub but now it's very friendly and nice. The Rainbow was once a very busy popular place but then descended into a riotous chavvy mess. It's the landlord, not the pub itself that makes the difference and some people, no matter how good at it they think they are, just aren't cut out to run a pub.
On 10 Aug 2009 at 8:43pm TDA wrote:
On 11 Aug 2009 at 2:44am Toque wrote:
Where, where? (It's "Hear, Hear")
On 11 Aug 2009 at 8:04am TDA wrote:
On 11 Aug 2009 at 9:25am sashimi wrote:
Oh Toque, it's so good to know I'm not the only pedantic person in Lewes. Someone else who thinks the 21st Century started on 1 Jan 2001?
On 11 Aug 2009 at 10:54am Its Not Rocket Science wrote:
It certainly did !
On 11 Aug 2009 at 1:47pm Toque wrote:
Me, a pedant? Never.
"Here, Here" is a common enough mistake but it's such a glaring one that I don't think it's pedantic to point it out.
For once I don't blame the education system. I blame the Government and the Media. Reporting on the proceedings of Parliament is woeful, only the Guardian seems to take any notice these days and no one takes any notice of them. The BBC don't even bother to refer to "green papers" or "white papers" anymore, prefering instead to call them "reports" as if they had been written by a quango (which on reflection they probably were). There's a widespread dumbing down of language and vocabulary that begins in the corridors of power and probably ends in the Snowdrop.
On 11 Aug 2009 at 4:06pm sashimi wrote:
Oh Toque, I was so hopeful! Someone who knows the difference between Green and White Papers, uses capitals and spells correctly seemed cut out to be 'one of us'.
On 11 Aug 2009 at 9:53pm Kingsized Wheatstraw wrote:
White papers?? they are all white (apart from the liquorice ones) even the Green ones - apparantly blues are healthiest cos they are thinner - reds are most popular though
On 11 Aug 2009 at 10:17pm Grizzler wrote:
One of my relatives had a second job in the 70's - working in a pub in the evening. Whilst learning the ropes, a customer asked my relative for some Rizla's. My relative, being niave about such items, enquired if they wanted cheese and onion or salt and vinegar flavour! Customer was not happy!
On 11 Aug 2009 at 10:44pm sal wrote:
Whatever happened to the ex L.A. Tom?
On 11 Aug 2009 at 11:01pm TDA wrote:
Obviously I meant, "Hare, here, hare."
On 12 Aug 2009 at 10:38pm Withnail wrote:
It was actually "Here hare here"
On 12 Aug 2009 at 11:09pm SG wrote:
Apparently the current manager is on his way out, it looks to be changing over into quite good hands soon. I'll be interested to go in there for a meal when it re-opens.
On 13 Aug 2009 at 10:10pm Bartleby wrote:
Think the reasons are a bit more complicated. The pub was sold to a big company at a high high price based largely on the turnover achieved by tim and sue. they then let the place to tenant landlords at very high rents which demanded not only that the turnover stayed at its current level but in fact went up. when you look at the fundamentals of the pub it has to offer something different to survive as it's just too out of the way for most people to compete as a straightforward town centre pub. instead, partly because of the new freeholders, and partly because of the new tenants, the pub became more and more 'normal', e.g. they quickly ditched the veggie brand and started showing more sports etc, thus ditching the pub's usp in lewes.
finally, the freeholder, which owns thousands of pubs, has invested almost nothing in the place ever since it bought it, and has instead built up massive and unsustainable levels of leveraged debt on its huge empire. as a result the place has gone from being charmingly shambolic to a bit of a hole. ultimately they won't ever make any money from it and years of non-profit will be used to justify a change of use to residential planning. this is rubbish really as they are just proving that a poorly run pub will make no money.
just my thoughts anyway