On 19 Aug 2008 at 10:14pm madge wrote:
I am absolutely gutted & disgusted watching this programme seeing the way breeders allow these animals to suffer for vanity greed & profit. We all know it happens but its excellent that at last these ignorant idiots are being exposed.
On 19 Aug 2008 at 10:38pm juju wrote:
madge i am sorry to say that this is only the tip of the iceberg. I have been studying canine behaviour and the reason why any good behaviourist will first require a vet to exam your dog is because many bahaviour issue are caused by a physiological and/or neurological problem and a vast number of these are genetic. The BBC are only exposing an issue that many have been fighting to have accepted as standard for many long years. The dog mags have been publishing these problems but money talks. Breeding is big money with pups selling to America at over 1000,00 a time, the kennel club makes money ect, ect.
The kennel club will not change, the RSPCA have to be present at all dog shows but this practice of inbreeding has continued to be allowed inspite of the obvious distress caused by physical deformites.
This program has done a fantastic job of highlighting the issue but i fear that the graphic first shots will have driven many to simply switch channel. Go to any dog show, fun or otherwise and you will instantly spot those breeders that are only there to increase there status as they stand out a mile from the domestic dog lover who only wishes to have some fun and socialise their dog.
Things will not change genetics of these poor dogs have gone past the point of no return and it is now impossible to return them to the physical look of the ancestors, it is now only possible to breed out the problems, they can not return to which they once where.
On 20 Aug 2008 at 9:31am Madge wrote:
I totally agree with all your comments juju. I too have been well aware of these problems having worked in animal welfare for many years I have seen first hand the damage done to animals through ignorance, cruelty, irresponsibility & greed. Sadly so much falls on deaf ears & those who could make a difference remain in denial, turning a blind eye & staying silent simply to protect there own financial interest, shame on them! You are right it was not easy to watch & many will have turned the programme off but hopefully the message will filter through & the words of the disgusting breeders & judges exposed on that programme will be a wake up call for jo public.
On 20 Aug 2008 at 10:41am juju wrote:
Madge, i find it hard to see how much will change all the time high volumes of cash are invovled, the Sussex Canine centre have been treating a little dog in hydro on behalf of kit wilson who rescued him from a breeder who had broken the poor things front legs because they where the wrong shape for the show ring, they where left broken so they could shape them, now the poor little dog cant carry its own weight without its front legs buckling, the hope is that hydro will help.
jo public also carry the blame which is obvious at the moment with the introduction of Labrodoodle, cockopoo ect these dogs also sell for large sums of money, when will people wake up to the fact that they are paying for a cross breed, once appon a time these pups would have been sold cheaply as a mistake breeding.
I fear that jo public may also respond with a knee jerk reaction and that the rescue centres may find them selves over run with pedigree dogs. Tragic.
On 20 Aug 2008 at 12:54pm Mystic Mog wrote:
Just get mutts and moggies. Less goes wrong with them, less likely to get nicked and the animals suffers less without inbred deformities. Also do not forget farm animals, it is not just pets.
On 20 Aug 2008 at 2:22pm Dog In A Cape. wrote:
I was going to get one of those ugly inbred dogs with the pushed in face. My only reason for doing so was to make me look extra good looking and interesting, also helps to pull chicks. Am I just chasing my tail?
On 20 Aug 2008 at 4:37pm BONYAK wrote:
Agree with all the comments above. Inter breeding between father and daughter, jaws that protude, flat faces. Hang on are we talking about council house tenants?
On 20 Aug 2008 at 5:03pm Bonfire Barry wrote:
Was the "TV programme about dog breeding" called the Jeremy Kyle Show?
On 21 Aug 2008 at 6:33am juju wrote:
Ha Ha, Very funny. I notice that people lean towards sarcasum when sceintificly out of their depth. By the way in my opinion its not council house tenants, but Glynde residents!!
On 22 Aug 2008 at 8:17am zero cool wrote:
Any body who puts their son-daughter father-daughter mother-son etc in any form for breeding purposes, whether it be human or animal, must need their heads testing to see if they actually have any brain cells. I believe this is called Incest. You call it what you like but it is perverse and dangerous to the offspring and that is a SCIENTIFIC fact!
What has this got to do with Glynde anyway?
On 22 Aug 2008 at 11:58am juju wrote:
Glynde was in defence of the post by Bonyak, please read, he had no constructive input so sank to the normal low levels of someone unable to particpate on the level of the other posts.
No animal should be bred from in this manner but money talks, and even if the laws and the kennel club outlawed this process it would still happen in the same way that puppy farms are not controlled enough to make any difference to the welfare of pups. Its the owners, vets and behaviouists that pick up the pieces and on the back of this under trained dog trainers and behaviourist also make money because people want a quick fix. I could practice as a behaviouist now but have choosen not to in favour of extending my knowledge and building a reputation with both the vets and within the dog world, in my mind this is the only way to raise the standard of canine welfare, in the mean time i stay poor, but better that the doing wrong by a dog.
On 22 Aug 2008 at 4:06pm Nosey Parker wrote:
Agree with Juju's posts.
I do feel that the posts by Bonyak and Bonfire Barry are off subject (but quite amusing).
On 22 Aug 2008 at 4:18pm juju wrote:
where would this site be without those that post off track, they keep us on our toes.