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Surveillance State

On 3 Apr 2012 at 11:01am Clifford wrote:
'Scare tactics to herd more disempowered citizens into the clutches of officialdom, as people surrender more and more information about their lives, giving the state more and more power over their lives. If we want to stop the state controlling us, we must confront this surveillance state.'

David Cameron, 25 June 2009.

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On 3 Apr 2012 at 3:50pm bastian wrote:
oh dear...he has got a short memory, been at the weed again...bit of a hangover from the bullingdon days.
As i've said before...this is not a democracey and it is not/or will no longer be a free state.
Do you think this is part of our special relationship with America that Obama was so keen to revitalise recently? I can sniff the CIA....
It just makes me want to be really disobidient and start writing stuff with odd words dropped in for fun..like when you wrote an essay that you were convinced a teacher wasn't really reading so you'd add a random word to see if they'd find it....a word like bomb..or cyanide.
God it's going to be quite hard to write e-mails at bonfire considering sonme of the subjects we cover for fusing up.
On 3 Apr 2012 at 4:54pm Lord Landport wrote:
Only the guilty should be bothered.
On 3 Apr 2012 at 4:59pm Myself wrote:
"Only the guilty should be bothered." Blind ignorance, that'll work................................................
On 3 Apr 2012 at 5:36pm Clifford wrote:
Bastian - someone sent me an interesting suggestion: 'To show your opposition, simply CC your MP into every e-mail you send, and add an automatic signature that add a PS to your MP asking them "Is this really what you want?"'

Lord Landport - first prize for predictable idiocy.
On 3 Apr 2012 at 7:29pm Lord Landport wrote:
Bring it on...got nothing to hide. Get over it and move on FFS
On 3 Apr 2012 at 8:59pm Paul Newman wrote:
yes I agree with Clifford on this one, a grim reminder of the difference between what people say in opposition and what they say in power .
On 3 Apr 2012 at 9:19pm Deelite wrote:
Google: Do no evil.
Not yet anyway. Google has your online data and like the financial institutions, oil companies and global media organisations is considerably more powerful than the UK Government.

Big brother. It's creeping up on us but the UK Government are small fry (not to mention inept).

Paul. Whether you agree with Clifford or not, you are still a single-issue small-minded tosser.
On 3 Apr 2012 at 9:42pm expat two wrote:
Lord Landport, it doesn't matter whether you've got anything to hide or not. Its an infringement.
Would you support a government plan to install microphones into every dining room in the land, so they can listen in and check we're not planning terror atrocities? Surely, only those with something to hide would object?
What about CCTV cameras in every bedroom to look in and check nobody's having unlawful sex? Only those with something to hide would object?
Deelite - I kind of agree with you, I'd like to think Google herald a new age of corporate responsibility, but I doubt it will last.
On 3 Apr 2012 at 9:46pm dron wrote:
The whole operation will probably be privatised and given to former News Of the World journalists
On 3 Apr 2012 at 10:10pm Woody wrote:
Google do no evil? Does massive tax avoidance count as just 'bad' then?
On 4 Apr 2012 at 6:00am Paul Newman wrote:
Paul. Whether you agree with Clifford or not, you are still a single-issue small-minded tosser.
I fit many times more into my 'small mind' than you in your echoing vault of loose bats Deelite and as for tosser ...well ok you have me there.I lurv me .
Grisly to find I also agree with Ex Pat, I remember saying all this when ID cards were creeping up on us. The next step will be the release of statistics showing we have endless terrorist threats emanating from home grown Islamists ( in Bradford probably ) and that they communicate via web sites and e mails . All true and many will be swayed , Expats point still holds good though. You have to draw a line .
Is now the right time to mention the inevitable threat to security and thus freedom posed by allowing major cities to become foreign citadels?
Why not
On 4 Apr 2012 at 8:22am guido wrote:
ive got an idea for the pm and his pals , first we sneak under the big house and fill it wiht 3 score barrels , ah the circle of life , ,
On 4 Apr 2012 at 5:16pm Ed Can Do wrote:
Whilst the continued attempts to document every minute detail of our lives is a horrifying prospect, given the government can't put together a simple database of people's addresses for the NHS without going tens of billions of pounds and a decade or so over budget, I would question their ability to actually implement any form of Big Brother state and actually get useful data from it.

Anyway, this is nothing new. Blair was pushing for this decades ago only back then the storage space required to store all the data was considered massively prohibitive. Email and mobile communication has increased exponentially since the 90's and the storage demands now would be hilarious. Even with a bunch of supercomputers sifting through it all and with the cleverest algorithms yet devised picking out the "useful" bits, the actual benefit in terms of crimefighting is going to be negligible. Once the computers are ticking off churning through that rubbish, the chances of anyone then abusing the system to find out who's voting Labour or whatever are pretty much non-existant.

In short, that the government are considering it worries me far more than any actual practical implementation.
On 4 Apr 2012 at 5:36pm Not from around here wrote:
Absolutely hate the idea of unconditional 'surveillance'.
Targeted intelligence has been shown to be more effective than blanket monitoring. Isn't that precisely why the UK border agencies were involved in those trials where intelligence-led screening of people at the border was far more successful than trying check everybody?
There are more people killed on the roads from car accidents every day than there ever are from terrorist activities in the UK so I will not be swayed by these ridiculous arguments that if it stops one terrorist plot then the price is worth paying. It must be a fundamental right of individuals to be able to communicate with each other without the state listening-in.
Yes that means that some criminal activity slips through without detection but that is the price of a free society and we must fight for that freedom at all costs.
On 4 Apr 2012 at 11:03pm Clifford wrote:
What I like when a subject like this comes up is to see the libertarians of left and right unite in a common cause against the authoritarians, the paranoid and the plain stupid.
On 5 Apr 2012 at 9:02am bastian wrote:
that is because it is a case of infringment of liberty...something we all hold dear because we are/were free to disagree...someone is trying to change that in the most subtle way possible.

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