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Strongest case for Scottish independence yet.

On 14 Mar 2017 at 5:28pm Jock McRock wrote:
But Brexit will change the entire constitutional and economic basis of the Britain. Now, little more than a year after the 2014 referendum, Scotland is being asked to give up all its European rights and powers, to give up the EU Bill of Rights, and to give up the right to appeal court rulings all the way to the European Court of Justice.
It's also being asked to give up its access to the Single Market, to give up its rights in the Customs Union, and to give up membership of the EEA.
It's also being asked to give up its access to the Single Market, to give up its rights in the Customs Union, and to give up membership of the EEA.Suddenly the case for independence is looking more attractive by the minute.

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On 14 Mar 2017 at 5:43pm Jimmy Mc Tinny wrote:
I dinnae give a F***
On 14 Mar 2017 at 5:45pm Purple headed Proddy wrote:
Turn yon thread purple, Webbo.
On 14 Mar 2017 at 5:54pm Britney wrote:
Britain looks so weak and divided.The Europeans will walk all over us.
On 14 Mar 2017 at 6:24pm Christmas wrote:
Can anyone recommend a Christmas tree shop at this time of year. Nothing like planning ahead
On 14 Mar 2017 at 7:11pm Thatch wrote:
It will come down to the pound v the euro.
I cant see the sweatys going for the euro some how.
On 14 Mar 2017 at 7:30pm Fairmeadow wrote:
Scotland isn't being asked to do those things, it's being told. No alternative. Spain will see to that. Spain can't afford to see a region seeking independence thrive by so doing. If an independent Scotland seeks re-admission to the EU Spain will ensure it gets poor conditions and will be forced to join the euro. Good luck with that Nicola. You'll also lose the annual subsidy from England and have to start paying one to Brussels, while having to pay tariffs to carry on exporting to your biggest export market.
And of course if we have to build a wall to keep unwanted Scots out we can make you pay for it. Why can't we have a vote on Scottish independence. It sounds all good to me.
On 14 Mar 2017 at 8:05pm Newms wrote:

Fairmeadow, that does not make sense. It was always impossible that a region could have special deal but an independent country is another matter and is not threat to Spain. Scotland is a wealthy country, more so than England, Oil prices are low but Oil still helps . Banking and services, which Brexit has attacked is more vital to Scotland than England
The English subsidy is offset by Scottish taxes more or less and being English speaking with an already vast Financial, Services hub in the EU is a historic opportunity for Scotland , there will be few Companies who will not consider a Scottish office
England decided to do this almost impossibly stupid thing and as they were told time and time again it risked breaking up the Union. How can anyone feign surprise?
I was a keen pro Unionist last time but this time ..nah. I , and my fellow remailers have been trampled underfoot by a lying stupid bigoted government that does not consider us people .
The UK can rot now for all I care and if Scotland doesn`t do it Ireland will
Time for the liars to own their betrayal
On 14 Mar 2017 at 8:05pm Billy wrote:
I can't work out if this is a good move by Sturgeon or not? Does she genuinely believe she would win a referendum or is it simply a clever tactic to influence a better Brexit deal? I can see Theresa May's point about needing to leave a referendum until the terms of brexit are clear - that however is very likely to go to the wire. Presumably both sides have thought about all the possible "what ifs?" and the final outcome - its like a game of chess (I think).
On 14 Mar 2017 at 8:38pm inthegutter wrote:
I'm interested to see your evidence for this "Scotland is a wealthy country, more so than England". Using Gross Value Added per capita as the metric England is ~10% above Scotland (See link). As tax income scales with GVA and public spending is higher in Scotland than England suggests that England does indeed subsidise Scotland.

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On 14 Mar 2017 at 10:10pm The Old Mayor wrote:
Anyone else thinks Tracey Ullman does a fantastic Nichola Sturgeon impression as a Manic Bond villain, with a "bat cave" in the highlands ? And her side kick !
On 14 Mar 2017 at 11:04pm Out wrote:
Can we have a referendum in England and decide if we want to keep Scotland? I vote them out
On 15 Mar 2017 at 10:20am Earl wrote:
We would be economically better off without Scotland, which sometimes makes me wonder if there's a dark agenda in some quarters. We all know they'd love to offload Northern Ireland, whatever they may say in public.
On 15 Mar 2017 at 1:39pm Deja Vu wrote:
I love the way people select facts according to what they're saying.

"little more than a year after the 2014 referendum" = 2.5 years?

"It was always impossible that a region could have special deal but an independent country is another matter" = Spain's borders have changed more times than Scotland's have.
Basically Scotland needs May to agree before a new referendum is held, plus you've all ignored the rather large elephant in the room.
1. Oil prices are down
2. North sea production is at it's lowest rate since the 70's
3. No easy oil left to get
and the elephant...
4. The oil well and rigs need to be decommissioned estimated at around 24 billion (if they split from the UK they will have to pickup this bill alone)
On 15 Mar 2017 at 7:39pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Good idea, Fairmeadow. Why can't the rest of the UK have a vote on independence for the Sweatys'? We have subsidised our far northern province for years. Bring back Hadrian...
On 16 Mar 2017 at 5:42pm Sussex J. wrote:
I`m a disgusting little Brexit fuelled racist.
On 17 Mar 2017 at 12:06pm Irrelevant wrote:
Well the answer is "no" to a referendum, so it's all academic now.

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