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Shipping Catastrophe after Brexit.

On 12 Apr 2017 at 5:40pm Mariner wrote:
Catastrophe looms at ports after Brexit, shipping industry warns
The UK is facing an “absolute catastrophe” if it does not sort out a “frictionless and seamless” border at Dover and other ports, the shipping industry has warned.
The UK Chamber of Shipping, which represents more than 170 freight ship, tanker and cruise liner companies, has called on governments across Europe to urgently grasp the challenge, arguing that a problem for the UK will also be a problem for ports in Holland, Belgium, France and Ireland.

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On 12 Apr 2017 at 8:30pm Ice berk wrote:
Thanks for your post. Thrilling stuff.
On 12 Apr 2017 at 9:36pm Sad wrote:
Yeah soooooooo interesting z,zzzzzzzzzzzzx
On 12 Apr 2017 at 9:57pm Ice berk wrote:
And so locally focused. Wooozah!!
On 12 Apr 2017 at 10:11pm Sinking feeling wrote:
Thanks Mariner. I only have the BBC, the Guardian, Times, Independent, New Statesman, Economist, Spectator and Telegraph to keep me up to date with what's going on, so I really need posts like yours to keep me informed.
On 12 Apr 2017 at 10:12pm The Old Mayor wrote:
Regarding the £50 billion needed to exit, for expenses etc, like moving house some foreign tw@t said. We need to see a proper meter reading first !! I.e. The EU haven't produced accounts EVER so there is The Cape of Good Hope and Bob Hope !!
On 12 Apr 2017 at 10:28pm Lopster wrote:
What is this incessant bleating about only posting local issues
What is the radius for your local please?
Newhaven has a port - surely that's local?
On 13 Apr 2017 at 12:33am wrote:
Well yes it is, but the problem isn’t really about localism, its Brexit. No posting about Brexit, and for 2 reasons;
1. We got our country back, but it looks like it’s going to be an even shi**ier one than the one we lost in 1973.
2. We now appreciate the magnitude of Johnson/Farage’s lies.
The less said about it, the better.
On 13 Apr 2017 at 7:01am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
They'll just have to tarmac Kent and turn it into one huge lorry park/customs office.
Whatever new arrangements they make for the big channel port, you can bet your life that Newhaven won't get them. It could stop Newhaven/Dieppe being a viable route for hauliers.
On 13 Apr 2017 at 12:08pm Newms wrote:
The problem the poster is talking anout is a risk to all UK manufacturing. If we really fell out of the EU with no treaties except WTO the consequences would be utterly catastrophiche reason this forum has become full of strident anti Politics people is because the Brexit side , having succeed in lying their way to a narrow victory want the subject closed
Many of the people demanding we only talk about dog poo and Bills are right wing activists and allies of Maria Caulfield . Some of it may be emanating from her office So bear that in mind the next time some one tells you that they can decide what we can and cannot talk about in Lewes . That is almost certainly some little Brexit thug incapable of making an argument wishing to shout down “thinking”.
This sort of movement always has the same people in it and abusive intolerant thuggery should hardly surprise us
On 13 Apr 2017 at 1:46pm The Greek wrote:
I don't understand the ostrich nature of some people on this forum. Burying their heads in the sand from the inevitable. As soon as the M20 resembles England's biggest car park, they'll be first on here to moan I bet!
On 13 Apr 2017 at 2:13pm Sussex Jim wrote:
I do not recall any shipping problems when we used to go on continental holidays before we joined the EU. We had to show our passports at Newhaven or Dover, and were not allowed on the ferry without a GB plate. We also had to change our money into Francs, and other currencies. But these were small problems given the enjoyment of the rich diversity of foreign cultures.
The only problems I can recall is the the Wilson administration in the sixties only allowed Britons to take £50 out of the country.
On 13 Apr 2017 at 4:56pm bobobob wrote:
Old Mayor. The accounts have been passed by the auditors without qualification since 2007. Before 2007 they were passed with qualification. I could give more detail but auditing is very very dull.
Sussex Jim. True, but the volume of border traffic and cross border trade was much lower back then. We are now used to operating with a much easier system than we will have in the future. These changes will cause pain for businesses when it happens.
On 13 Apr 2017 at 6:31pm Ahem... wrote:
When people talk about shipping, Sussex Jim, they are not talking about people going on holiday. They are talking about trade, and about ships bringing cargo to and from the UK. Brexit and the re-introduction of boundaries, tariffs etc, are going to bring a return to queues of lorries waiting at the ports for customs clearance, and ships and their cargo being held up while some jobsworth decides they need to examine every last bit before clearing it. That is what it was like before, and that is where we will be heading again. It will be like being back in the seventies - except even worse because at least the music was good in those days.
On 14 Apr 2017 at 5:45pm Fairmeadow wrote:
Another desperate remoaner trying to stir up panic.
Since we currently import far more from the EU than we export to them, if cross border trade gets more difficult it will be their problem much more than ours. We also import a great deal of stuff from countries outside the EU, such as China, Japan and Turkey and we export to the USA. That all seems to work fine. So why should there suddenly be a problem if our European trade shifts to the same basis?
We will however have an incentive to buy British produce rather than European, where there is a choice, as there usually is.
Would be interesting to know though why the biggest price increases so far are in products like marmite and British butter. That can hardly be blamed on the change in the exchange rate or Brexit. Unilever tried to put the prices of UK products up to exactly the same extent as those from abroad, thinking we were all too thick to spot what they were up to. Just greedy businessmen seeing a chance to make a bit of extra profit.
On 16 Apr 2017 at 8:23pm Ahem... wrote:
Sorry Fairneadow, not a desperate Remoaner, just someone that has worked in international trade (imports/exports, shipping) for nearly 40 year. Yes, we import far more from the EU than we export, and all of that will be held up in ports like Newhaven, Dover, Tilbury, Harwich etc. while we pay duty and wait for customs clearance, as it used to, and as already happens to imports from non-EU countries. That is exactly what I am saying. Why then is that worse for the EU than it is for us? And whatever makes you think that trading more with non-EU countries is going to be of any benefit to us? Yes, we might already trade with these countries, but only for stuff that isn't available tariff free, (and cheaper), in the EU.

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