On 19 Feb 2015 at 5:44pm belladonna wrote:
Tide Mills is under threat!!! If the proposals go ahead we will lose the sandy beach at Tide Mills and chunks of the nature reserve to a new port area. Parts of the east pier will also go.
Given that the fate of the West beach is still not known (appeal judgement pending from high court), we could be about to lose one fo the best loved local assets.
Plesae register objections to the planning proposals via link below before Feb 27.
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On 19 Feb 2015 at 8:15pm skeptical green wrote:
At the moment I can't see any threat to tide mills. The district council seem to think the impact on liesure facilities is minimal. They may of course be talking rubbish but it is not clear from the summary or plans that there is an adverse effect on tide mills and job creation in Newhaven is v important. Can the OP explain why s/he thinks this re development threatens the damage they suggest by reference to the planning documents so the rest of us can take an informed view?
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:16pm Belladonna wrote:
Here's the proposed area according to port authority image. The sandy beach would be lost and a massive area behind it.
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:17pm Belladonna wrote:
Sorry I can't work out how to post the image link from my phone. Will try later, but it's on the port authority website
On 19 Feb 2015 at 9:17pm Belladonna wrote:
Sorry I can't work out how to post the image link from my phone. Will try later, but it's on the port authority website
On 20 Feb 2015 at 11:07am Why can't you lot read? wrote:
If you actually take the time to read the documents, page 16 of the design and access statement shows that access to the pier and beach will be maintained at all times. Usual reactionary rubbish from the Lewes Lefties!
On 20 Feb 2015 at 1:52pm belladonna wrote:
here's the picture. Certainly looks like it will affect Tide Mills beach.
Check it out here »
On 20 Feb 2015 at 1:58pm Southover Queen wrote:
Oh, well done Belladonna. Yes, it does look very much as if it will. Certainly as a dog walker I should be very sad to see that strip of sand at low tide go - the dog adores it.
So not really reactionary rubbish at all, troll. I do however taken Skeptical Green's point about the port being very desperately in need of investment, particularly given the French propensity for threatening to shut it down altogether.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 2:44pm amy wrote:
It would be perfectly possible to reconfigure the port at Newhaven within its existing boundaries. I went to the public meeting when the plans were exhibited and was appalled at the inability of the port's PR to answer pertinent questions. it was disdainful.
It is important to object to these plans. They change completely the beautiful 'wildness' of the place and destroy an iconic view. I know that the SDNP are taking a keen interest. The swathe of sand at low tide will disappear completely - another beach lost. the plans' drawings do not accurately represent how Tidemills will be affected.
I care for Newhaven but I truly believe that the careful conservation of Tidemills will contribute more economically to the town's future in terms of sustainable tourism than an unnecessary reconfiguration of the docks.
Please object.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 5:07pm Country Boy wrote:
And when did anyone ever see anyone surfing there? Described in the Argus today as a 'popular surfing spot' - are you sure?
On 20 Feb 2015 at 5:46pm Belladonna wrote:
Frequently see surfers down there, and kite surfers and wind surfers. The flat of the sandy beach as tide gets low means there is a good 'break'.
On 20 Feb 2015 at 6:16pm Country Boy wrote:
I must be getting my beaches mixed up. Do you mean that narrow strip of sand by the eastern harbour arm, sheltered from the westerly winds?
On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:08pm Canute wrote:
We don't need tide mills
On 21 Feb 2015 at 11:51pm Belladonna wrote:
Country boy, check out the photos of the tide mills beach at the Facebook page 'Save Newhaven Arm and Breakwater beach'. It has both the tide mills (eAst) beach and the West beach , both showing lovely expanses of sand at low tide
On 25 Feb 2015 at 2:31pm Ian Sinarator wrote:
BBC news reporting that the "village Green" case for the west beach has been thrown out by supreme court.
Wonder if the locals have already applied to make Tidemills beach a "village green" - they may stand more chance if it is outside the harbour byelaw area, and as it is often used by public for dog walking, surfing, walking, sunbathing, barbeques etc.
The image on the port webpage suggests the western edge of the current Tidemills beach will indeed be affected by new breakwater "blocks" laid alongside a new eastern breakwater, though the new breakwater itself loks like it may be shorter than the existing eastern harbour breakwater/arm?
Hard to tell just how much it will affect Tidemills, and we all know "artists renderings" can suffer from "artistic licence" in terms of scale and perspective.
I don't surf, I don't walk a dog, but I would hate to see the current "desolate" atmosphere of Tidemills spoiled by the two huge tin sheds in the picture or by it being overshadowed by some rusty "tramp steamer" or cargo carrier tied up alongside the new berth...
Regenaration vs recreation - always going to be a tough choice.
Would love to know what the port owners think will be brought in, or taken out,via Newhaven, why would ships use Newhaven when Shoreham is only just down the road, or Ramsgate and Dover are to the East and today's massive container ships and car-transporters will probably always use the mega ports at Southampton and Tilbury etc?
Maybe its just coincidence that the expansion is planned now the nearby waste incinerator is up and running.... :-(
On 25 Feb 2015 at 2:41pm amy wrote:
Certainly not a coincidence 'I S'!
The drawings are definitely suffering from artistic licence; the port PR people at Hillcrest in Newhaven where the plans were exhibited could not supply figures when I asked about the depth of the encroachment. I think it is at least 90 feet.
Please formally object via the LDC website.
On 25 Feb 2015 at 3:43pm beachcomber wrote:
Please object.
You might like to have a look at the National Planning Policy Framework (esp. paras. 17, 70, 73, 74, 114, 115, 118) and include these, as briefly as you like, in your objection. TM has a unique atmosphere that can surely be largely prserved with some effort by the developers. The development may well be necessary but it is not enough just to say this trumps every other consideration.
On 25 Feb 2015 at 3:44pm beachcomber wrote:
I think the time limit for objections has been extended to 5 March.
On 26 Feb 2015 at 8:15am EDF. Centrica .Port wrote:
All French owned - Will we see a mass protest of Newhaven residents boycotting EDF and "British" gas for example - I won't bet on it . Since WW11 the French have taken the p*ss out of us wholesale