On 10 Aug 2011 at 11:10pm mich wrote:
Zebedee, battery farm estates? get a life! battery farm estates look at Peckham! obviously you live in a 150 acre estate to come out with a comment like that. any way agree with most of you guys and gals time to come down with an iron fist hit them where it hurts. take 2 yrs out of their life bung them in the army and hope they come across a roadside bomb. We have honest people in Afganistan,Iraq, doing their job and dying while these morons think they have a right to take what they want? they have it bad? ww2 london blitz! now they were tough times.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 8:06am DFL wrote:
Aah, Northern Ireland '72, now they were REAL riots (and looting). Having been a "regular" I'm not convinced that national service would solve any of these issues. Might just be a case of the "bad eggs" of society ? 750 arrested out of 60,000,000 population, small minority ? OR, did they really have a point to make ? Interesting listening to those girls in Croydon, saying "they can do what they like". How on earth do we respond to that type of comment. I wonder if they'd be happy to appear on a chat show ? Say, BBC1 The One Show ?
On 11 Aug 2011 at 8:14am Furious wrote:
Many of those involved in the rioting don't understand what discipline means nor would they be able to spell it. When little Johny complains to his parents that he was rapped over the knuckles by a teacher for misbehaviour it is the teacher who ends up getting punished!
On 11 Aug 2011 at 8:34am i dont live in lewes... wrote:
Yes I saw that on TV this morning as well... found myself agreeing with his view point.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 10:39am DFL wrote:
Has political correctness gone mad ? I remember being given six canes across the backside for smoking in school (well, I was just 14 at the time !!). I thought that was a fair punishment...and I eventually gave up smoking !! and if my dad found out, I'd get a clip across the ear as well. Call me old fashioned, but discipline and respect seem to come easy in my childhood (50-70s). Are these qualities still around, or are we highlighting a few incidents that cloud the norm ?
On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:09am Pivot wrote:
Yes but DFL you probably had reason to respect the people who disciplined you. Seems that a large number of young people have no respect for authority at all - and is it any wonder?
Not that I wouldn't use my baseball bat on any one of them. And enjoy it.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:35am skywhale wrote:
Lewes riots on Youtube:
On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:47am DFL wrote:
Hey, leave my wheelie bin alone !!
On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:53am Furious wrote:
DFL - discipline and respect do still exist, however in some localities the opposite is becoming the norm. Teenage mums on street corners demanding money for another can of lager, travelling on public transport without a ticket, hooded males roaming the streets armed with "pit bull" type dogs looking for the slightest provocation. Such sights are becoming the norm rather than the exception in the area of South London where I regularly work.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 12:15pm Doormouse wrote:
An overwhelming sense of hopelessness is the norm for many people. Blaming it on bad parenting and curing it with a bit National Service is unrealistic and simple-minded. There is a malaise at the heart of our society. It is built on sand and the sands are shifting.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 12:15pm Pivot wrote:
How can kids respect those in authority when politicians/bankers/journalists behave the way they do? When they see that they have no prospect of an education or a job, or a house, and older and richer people have helped themselves freely?
Still - they do have a choice not be thieving scum themselves. We're asking a lot of the 'greed is good' generation though.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 1:03pm The voice of doom wrote:
An Pivot neatly puts his/her finger on a part of the malaise. Other parts include the dehumanisation of individuals by rampant consumerism, low wages and dire work situations (call-centres etc), concentration on gdp as a measure of well-being, immigration and over breeding leading to overpopulation and fractured or isolated communities, fear and mistrust, lack of time to bring up kids due to the over-whelming need of both parents to work to pay the bills, the ever more sharply focussed us-and-them culture, shallow greed and insecurity exemplified by celebrity culture and aspiration to fame... 'constant' indoctrination to desire something you can never, ever have (adverts for things you can't afford wherever you look)... and lots, lots more, including a huge lack of hope or expectation that things will get any better. Not a recipe for happiness.
Add to that an increasingly complicated and convoluted de-regularised 'free-market' financial system that closely resembles a deck of cards with human neuroses as one of it's main driving forces and you are bound to have problems at some point.
Watch the stock exchange over the next few weeks as the markets wake up to the fact that the UK is not quite the stable steadily recovering country with a foolproof plan to tackle the debt crisis and is in fact a social basket case, then add Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Spain, and even France and the US to this... downward revised credit ratings, and the fact that the banks have been forced to buy huge amounts of government bonds that will quickly become worthless.... leading to more collapsing banks and...
Meltdown. The pack of cards collapses.
It won't be a great time to live in a city.
Unlike the revolution this will be televised.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 1:35pm Old Cynic wrote:
God, Im so depressed now......but the overwhelming majority of people in the UK, are decent, honest, law abiding and kindly.
I dont understand why there is such opposition to water cannon - seems a gentle method of crowd dispersal compared to using a tazer or rubber bullets
On 11 Aug 2011 at 2:50pm Roly Mo wrote:
Pivot says that kids society behave the way they do when" they see that they have no prospect of an education or a job, or a house, and older and richer people have helped themselves freely?"
How about we teach children to aspire to want these things by working rather than them expecting these things as their right? How have richer people helped themselves freely? Surely they worked to get their riches, or their parents worked? Kids expect things to be handed to them on a plate. I totally agree that some form of National Service is in order. I used to live in Israel where all youths did National Service for 3 years, and I have never met such a respectful, well-behaved and responsible group of teenagers. Maybe the youth of Britain should spend some time in the real world.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 2:57pm Traditionalist wrote:
Prison is too soft an option for these feral rats. Don't talk about the underclass and all the other excuses being offered - just take a look at the jobs some of those appearing court for looting have (had?). Take away their privileges and make them pay their debt to society with something constructive and labour intensive.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:03pm Pivot wrote:
Hello - test post
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:08pm Pivot wrote:
Seem to have a few problems posting again.
Roly mo - the bankers and politicians looted us on a much grander scale than these kids.
How many times of a low wage is a modest mortgage now. Young people have a pretty bleak time ahead of them and they know it.
Now the latest thing is internships - A friend's son is a graduate who now can't get a job in his field because you have to do an internship - work for free- at the company first. His parents subbed him through uni but found that hard going enough.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:24pm Traditionalist wrote:
Pivot - so what is the excuse for the following who have all appeared in court thus far? Graphic Designer, Postman, Leisure Centre Worker, Scaffolder, Teaching Assistant, Graduate daughter of a Company Director who still lives in the family home etc. etc.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:35pm Hoist wrote:
Roly Mo have you seen the way 'all' Israelis treat the Arabs around them? I'm afraid disrespectful is definitely the word. Unfortunately the army was only part of the system that taught them to do that.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:36pm Pivot wrote:
Yeah - they are all scum - however you have to realise that the people you read about in the Daily Mail are not typical of the protesters - How many have been arrested so far? How many are even over 18?
Plus - why are people with decent jobs behaving like this? Have a think about it. We have a society which values you for what you have, brands you a sucker if you don't have anything.
Have a look at the top of society to see why that is.
It's us lot in the middle who are being scr*wed at both ends. Those at the top are laughing at us and those at the bottom don't want to be us.
On a lighter note - I am in London at the moment and just saw a hoody come off his push bike.
On 11 Aug 2011 at 3:39pm Scuffling around wrote:
Just having a look at the news
Cameron is still defending police cuts.
Did the police let it go so far to try to persuade him otherwise?
On 11 Aug 2011 at 6:58pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
They might have done. Or Rupert Murdoch might have started it to distract attention from what a lot of double dealing rats his senior management are.
How come bankers can smash the global economy and get bonuses while rioters get vilified for smashing up a high street?
On 11 Aug 2011 at 9:22pm the old mayor wrote:
Everyone has an opinion.I havent even wound myself up reading these posts !!
But we cant even tell little Johnny he lost the egg and spoon race at Sports Day.
Doesn't that tell you anything ???
On 11 Aug 2011 at 9:34pm Competitive Dad wrote:
Spot on Old Mayor. If everyone is encouraged to be mediocre how is anyone going to excel?
On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:09pm jrsussex wrote:
Rioting in Liverpool - Paddy looted the local Argus, he now has 400 catalogues - Another Paddy running down the road with an armful of chicken tikka, his mate shouting after him "No Paddy, I said Curry's".
On 12 Aug 2011 at 7:16am Old cynic wrote:
Well done JRS stereotyping and racist in so few words!
On 12 Aug 2011 at 9:34pm Chuck wrote:
For god's sake (oops, blasphemer), so what! jrs is just trying to be funny.
On 12 Aug 2011 at 10:23pm Onewhoknows wrote:
But not succeeding. A bit old school, surpassed and we're wiser now. Racist jokes stopped being funny a long time ago.