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On 20 Feb 2017 at 10:38am HMPS wrote:
On the topic of the prison, does anyone else think it should be moved. By redeveloping the current prison site for housing (which the town sorely needs) Her Majesty's Prison Service could build a more suitable facility elsewhere.
If this were undertaken it might also be possible to alleviate some of the congestion on Brighton road.
I imagine the main downside would be finding another site and the distance to the courts.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 10:48am Parent wrote:
Bring back hanging. These lads need a good kick up the backside.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 11:05am notforthelikesofus wrote:
How would putting in housing, presumably the new occupiers are free to leave and may even drive, improve the traffic flow next to a building whose inhabitants don't spend too much time on their morning and evening commute.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:13pm inthegutter wrote:
@notforthelikesofus
Presumably @HMPS thinks you could improve the road layout. I guess you could add an additional lane for left turns on to Nevill road. Not sure if that would help though as you'd still have the traffic in the other direction to account for at the traffic lights. Also, it's on a hill right?
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:31pm notforthelikesofus wrote:
The area is too small to easily add extra lanes. My solution to the pollution and traffic jams there and throughout the town is to remove the traffic that is passing through because the network is terrible. The solution is to build a ring road from the Kingston roundabout heading north and joining the A275 around the chalk pit/ofham area. Then continue across the valley, bridge the river and join up with the A26 around Stoneham.
It would reduce noise and pollution in the town and reduce the pressure on the A27 at both roundabouts.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:36pm Jesus wrote:
And ruin vast swathes of downland....what a marvellous idea. Lets concrete over everything
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:39pm notforthelikesofus wrote:
whilst improving the environment in the town where people actually live.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:48pm Centurion @ Jesus wrote:
I know you like green hills far away LOL. Hail Caesar Hail Trump Hail Brexit
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:55pm @jesus wrote:
Yes let's not dare to put a road over the green hills... let's continue to needlessly pollute the environment with traffic jams instead. Good plan Jesus.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 1:02pm God wrote:
Enough already, son. You've done your bit for mankind now have a rest, you'll be back again soon. ( relatively speaking)
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 1:05pm Feline wrote:
I think the prison is Grade 1 listed. If it is there's no chance of it being knocked down. Conversion into housing?
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 1:13pm The Greek wrote:
Creating more capacity to ease capacity problems is no longer the accepted wisdom in road building. Creating more capacity just causes it to get used and filled up. Getting people out of their cars is a more sustainable solution.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 1:17pm notforthelikesofus wrote:
As our leaders won't reinstate the local railway and the bus service is a joke it seems unlikely that people will get out of their cars. That plan is not about creating extra capacity it's about more efficiently using the road space resource available.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 2:20pm Pope wrote:
People should use condoms more then we wouldn't have this problem.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 2:33pm @The Greek wrote:
"Creating more capacity to ease capacity problems is no longer the accepted wisdom "
No one suggested "more capacity" a "new route" was clearly the suggestion.
If you think that a new more direct route (instantly moving half of the traffic to that road in the process) won't ease the problem you've been listening the Tory Party BS for too long...
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 3:24pm The Greek wrote:
A totally new route over the Downs is indeed more capacity and a rather expensive and destructive solution to a smaller problem.

A "fast lane" through the prison site to Spital Road would be welcome, or widening the junction to allow a roundabout or allowing left-turn on red. This could be coupled with improvements in public transport to alleviate the need to be in a car.

At peak time if coming from Brighton, I find it quicker to cut down Winterbourne and come back up the prison hill and wait there in a shorter queue.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 3:56pm Cat lover wrote:
We shouldn't incarcerate our fellow people. I think they should be given the freedom to come and go from prison during the day. I've met some prison folk in the past and they can be the nicest of people. Such as shame
 
 
On 20 Feb 2017 at 4:33pm @The Greek wrote:
So a new route outside of town isn't acceptable, but a "fast lane" is...
And yes whilst a bypass is technically "extra capacity", so is a fast lane.
So we can agree we're both suggesting "extra capacity", except that I'm suggesting a bypass outside of the town, you're suggesting a "fast lane" through town...
And the fact that you take a shortcut through a residential area to get 4 spaces further ahead in the queue tells us all we need to know about you
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 4:44pm The Greek wrote:
There are ways and means of re-designing junctions to allow faster traffic movement - ie the fast lane at the Southerham roundabout. The American right turn on red is something they do right, for example.

A destructive and expensive bypass through a National Park is a rather extreme solution for a relatively minor local problem.

If anything cutting through Winterbourne saves a fair amount of time and I know plenty of people do it. I no longer work in Brighton, but when I did I often cycled to save getting caught up in all this traffic, which is what we need to be encouraging rather than building more roads.

I hasten to add I lived in the countryside with no viable public transport links. If you commute Lewes-Brighton only there's no reason to not get the bus or train. And before you start, I'm fully aware that that is not the only journey through that route.
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On 20 Feb 2017 at 8:17pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Notfor... may have a point. If BML2 is ever built by building a tunnel from Ashcombe to Hamsey- why not make it a double-deck road/rail tunnel (like the second Britannia bridge across the Menai Straight)? I have long advocated a northern bypass from Earwig Corner to Offham. This would solve the problem of traffic continuing towards Brighton.
 
 
On 20 Feb 2017 at 8:38pm Bus w@nker wrote:
I use the bus every day The Greek. I spend half the journey home sitting in traffic waiting to get to the prison crossroads...
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On 21 Feb 2017 at 12:09am Fairmeadow wrote:
Lewes prison is indeed listed, and if you have ever been into the Victorian part, you will know it wouldn't convert into living accommodation. As for the punishment block, very 19th century. Even people who think the new 15 square metre micro homes are a credible option to the housing crisis would not tolerate that. Whether we should be making prisoners live there is another question.
 
 
On 21 Feb 2017 at 9:40am HMPS wrote:
1) Yes, I meant change the road layout to improve the flow of traffic, which surely must be possible. I use the bus and like others spend a stupid amount of time waiting on Brighton road.
2) I certainly wouldn't suggest demolishing the entire prison but instead converting what is possible to residential accommodation. I take the point about the unsuitability of converting the listed victorian part though. In an ideal world perhaps that would be maintained as a community space of some sort.
 
 
On 21 Feb 2017 at 9:44am Tom Pain wrote:
Once again greek, where's the money going to come from? Those who have it only lend it at interest. The Soviet Union was financed by capitalists. Once you understand that apparent contradiction you can figure things out. Socialism is a con, along with all the other isms we have been given.


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