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Powers used to stop Lewes man pestering people

On 20 Feb 2017 at 9:43am Lewes Concerned wrote:
During 12 months,police recorded no fewer than 17 reports and complaints about a Lewes resident's behaviour,- These included assaults on a woman police constable and a woman police community support officer, theft, threatening staff at several businesses, harassing young people in the street, pestering people for money, spitting, littering and defecating in public.

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On 20 Feb 2017 at 9:51am Perky wrote:
Sadly that is the effects of drug taking
On 20 Feb 2017 at 11:26am Pedro wrote:
@ perky. depends on which drugs and frequency. On this occasion is sounds like it was abuse of drugs (naming alcohol specifically) causing erratic behaviour, so wonder if this individual has had any help and support for addictions, and also mental health.
On 20 Feb 2017 at 12:53pm Doctor D'eath wrote:
And help with his incontinence too - OR more public bogs ! It's no fun being caught short even if you are law abiding.
On 20 Feb 2017 at 5:35pm Georgia Fornby wrote:
Sad really. He used to clean our windows. Admittedly it was a bit of an erratic service! But he obviously used to be able to earn himself a living.
On 20 Feb 2017 at 9:24pm Blois Road wrote:
@ Lewes Concerned
Do you have any idea why it took the police so long to act upon the complaints?
On 20 Feb 2017 at 9:44pm Hyena wrote:
Or maybe he's just an anti social piss head who needs to take a bit of responsibility.
On 20 Feb 2017 at 10:15pm Earl of Lewesss wrote:
He looks scarier than he actually is. He's a sad character who is so off his face, he barely knows the time of day. I wish someone would put him in detox for a while and help him get back on his feat. He's less bother than the big bloke with a radio - he gets quite violent sometimes.
On 20 Feb 2017 at 10:19pm Pedro wrote:
@hyena. You may be right about this individual. Sounds like he has a drink and drug problem, possible addiction though. If someone could help him get out of this hole, then surely it would be worth it for everyone...even at the initial expense of the tax payer.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 10:00am Tom Pain wrote:
There you are Pedro,you could give him some councelling. Turn him on to some decent drugs. I'm sure your caring,sharing example would turn him around in no time.Go on, you know it makes sense.
For once, I'm not trying to be funny.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 10:41am Pedro wrote:
@ Tom Pain. I've always taken your comments as serious and unfunny

Lets be fair though, if any alcoholic (or heroin addict) were to switch their habit and purely vapourise the far more benign marijuana (even though its far harder to get addicted to, and certainly not physically addicted)....not only would they be far better off (and not causing a destruction of their internal organs with hazardous and highly addictive drugs), but so would everyone around them. Antisocial behaviour would be much less of an issue for the community, the NHS and the police.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 12:14pm Meic wrote:
No, Pedro, marijuana is not benign. There are at least four men in Lewes alone whose memories have been severely damaged, in some cases ruined, by heavy use of the drug. It is almost always smoked unfiltered in combination with tobacco, with all the health damage to internal organs that implies. As to addictiveness, before retirement I was on the substance abuse commissioning expert panel for a deprived inner London borough. Although the commissioning of services had to focus on opiates and crack cocaine, by far the largest number of people seeking treatment for addiction were cannabis users. You may argue that itís your right to put what substance you please into your bloodstream, and in principle Iíd agree, but donít dress it up with claims of benignity. Far better to restrict it to its undoubted medical uses, where there are definitely some anti-emetic and analgesic benefits.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 1:41pm Pedro wrote:
@ meic, I did say its far more benign than alcohol and heroin (which I would imagine you wouldn't disagree with me on). As with ANY substance, a level of caution and responsibility is required. And children should absolutely not be partaking either, which I've said before.

I would also advocate (and always have done) that its consumed in edibles or vapourised on its own, or perhaps in oil form. I have never once supported it or spliffs mixed with tobacco. Combustion is clearly going to impact lungs. Although there is strong evidence to suggest its still far less harmful than smoking tobacco on its own. Vapourisers have revolutionised the market, and provide a much cleaner and healthier method of consuming cannabis (just as it has for tobacco).

Also, as I mentioned in another thread, only 9% of cannabis users become addicted, and not in the same physical way that severely impacts heroin or alcohol addicts. Its far less addictive than these drugs, as well as many others (highest being heroin and tobacco), including many prescription painkillers/medications.

Your point you made based on your experience whilst on the substance abuse commissioning panel is a relevant and worthy one. Cannabis is a very widely used substance in the UK (used far more than ANY other illegal drug), so I don't find it surprising to see more people receiving treatment for cannabis addiction than other drugs. How many of those receiving treatment failed to kick the habit, recover, or died as a result of cannabis use, compared with those using other drugs, including alcohol?

I agree that the UK government should be focusing on the medicinal properties of cannabis, which is now passed into law in over half the states in the USA, and many other countries around the world. I totally support that. Public support of medicinal marijuana is polling as high as 89% in the US in 2016.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 2:27pm Tom Pain wrote:
Hi Pedro I did say"trying" ! I was wondering if you could do something rather than repeat reams of statistics and opinions. It might relieve your keyboard addiction if you are not an algorithm after all.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 4:20pm Pedro wrote:
@ Tom Pain - isn't that what a forum is for? Discussion and opinions? My apparent keyboard addiction is your problem, not mine.

My suggestion was that the authorities should be providing more support to combat addiction and mental health, including for the individual in question. Your suggestion was a flippant remark.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 7:55pm Tom Pain wrote:
Not so, Pedro. If you want something done,do it! Big Daddy Authority won't always be there. I'm not saying that I would do anything either,so you can keep the moral high ground.
On 21 Feb 2017 at 9:53pm Pedro wrote:
@ Tom Pain - the chap needs the assistance of qualified professionals. Its kind of different to my day job (which I'm quite happy doing), so not sure how I could help other than paying my taxes and voting for the political parties that I believe will serve everyone best. Particularly in terms of healthcare.
On 22 Feb 2017 at 2:58pm THE ANTIPEDRO wrote:
is this about dancing man?

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