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POLICING THE STREETS

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On 2 Apr 2011 at 9:20am sleep deprived wrote:
WOKE TO HEARING CARS BEING KICKED - THEN WOKEN THREE TIMES UNTIL DAWN.
Usual Friday night in Lewes then - empty bottles in the street and the youthful chorus of many through the night.
Here's a riddle - where are the police? Still behind their desks?
I'm angry - and tired - this morning.
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 9:32am MC wrote:
Less the police you need and more the control of alcohol. Our society is blighted by the affects of this stupefying and aggression-inducing drug. I'm mystified why we consider the large scale consumption of the insidious substance a natural and normal everyday thing? There are numerous societies on our planet that live very peaceably without ever touching a drop. As a whole its hard not to think we'd be much better off if the role, visibility and status of alcohol in our society was greatly reduced
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 9:32am Bob Cryer wrote:
What did the police say when you called them? You did call them, right?
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 10:50am Clifford wrote:
So what you're saying Bob is that the police sit in their station waiting for the public to call them? I don't want to sound nostalgic, but when I was younger you used to see police on the streets, walking the beat, getting an idea what was going on and getting to know people.
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 10:50am Plod wrote:
The police were doing what they could - the simple fact is there are not enough of us . . I'm not interested in an argument over why but I'm telling you that we do what we can. We don't 'sit behind desks all night' we are dealing with the other people who have had their houses broken into and the domestic violence / drunken assaults. Sorry for your problems but don't blame us. I agree with MC perhaps if the alcohol wasn't so available and the little darlings parents had a bit of control we wouldn't have such big problems.
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 11:51am Clifford wrote:
Why is it if crime is going down (and it has been for a number of years), and the number of police have been going up for years (though I know there'll be cuts in the future) the only time you see a copper in the street in Lewes is on 5 November? Figures in 2009 showed that the police spend about 15% of their time on the street.
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 2:21pm jrsussex wrote:
MC - The young British have, in the main, for many years consumed alcohol to get drunk unlike most of Europeans who drink socially. Changing that culture is, in my opinion, a long term programme but should be tackled at school age. They give sex education to the young children why not alcohol aducation?
Plod - Until Sussex police officers stop hiding behind Home Office guidelines and give detrimental punishments for drink related violent offences society will not improve. I witnessed a fight where an innocent person was beaten up and kicked by a drunken man and the perpertrator was given a caution with a penalty notice. The handing out of penalty notices to class one drug dealers, £60 I think, is hardly likely to deter them from trading is it? That has happened many times in Sussex with the police saying "We are following Home Office guidelines".
If a punishment is not sufficient to act as a deterrent then it becomes pointless.
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 2:25pm Andaxi wrote:
I blame the parents too who don't know, or care, where there little darlings are or what they are doing. It's bad now but what of the future?
We need the police to adopt a zero tolerance policy and with the amount of murders being committed in this country, serious consideration should be given to restoring the death penalty!
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 3:26pm Decent Citizen wrote:
I would be interested to know, if parents of young people 14 -15 know their kids are out 1 30 am ish?In the cliffe,court road,the wild life area ,mountfield road area on a friday,saturday night they are there ,screaming,shouting,acting the fool, I am told reliably, that the bridge under the footbridge to mountfield road is a known drugs area. No thought at all for others.Parents of young girls be very ashamed.
 
 
On 2 Apr 2011 at 5:13pm supporter wrote:
never bring back the death penalty in my view.
 
 
On 2 Apr 2011 at 5:33pm High Dudgeon wrote:
Have to say they've been pretty visible the last few Friday and Saturday nights in the Mountfield Road/Southover area - but if you don't happen to pass them or look out of your window at the exact moment they go by, then the perception is that you never see one. Bit like shooting stars I suppose!
 
 
On 2 Apr 2011 at 6:23pm Clifford wrote:
Andaxi wrote: '.. with the amount of murders being committed in this country, serious consideration should be given to restoring the death penalty!'

What proportion or murders do you think are committed by members of the victim's family Andaxi?
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On 2 Apr 2011 at 11:14pm jonathan spencer wrote:
We have the same problems where I live. I have lived in lots of different parts of lewes from South street to The Landport and had the same kind of thing happen that sleep deprived describes. Including more recently mine and a number of cars where I live being 'keyed'
I think the search for law and order is a long haul, everything says that young people who feel included in their communities tend to give respect to the people in it and less damage to its fabric. What has Lewes really got to offer young people....? Its a story told all over the country, of towns and villlages with little to do but get drunk.
As to the police, they do their best, and i can only think that the reduction in officers and staff about to be actioned is going to make their job more difficult and our lives harder. I do think we need better community relations with the police and this is why the age old "bobbies on the beat" goes down well, because people like a visible presence and like to know who their local police officer is.
A more visible and mobile police presence directed at the nigh time social crowd of whatever age would be useful.
The other thing to remember is that many many young people are good, my 84 old mother who was struggling to cross the road one evening up at the crossroads at high street/station had some young lads stop the traffic and assist her across and she was full of praise.
 
 
On 3 Apr 2011 at 9:26am Andaxi wrote:
Clifford, point taken but I was suggesting that it should be considered as a deterrent, which it used to be.
The thought of the consequences their actions might lead too I'm sure made many think before they went too far with their violence.
I'm not sure what you are asking with your comment :
"What proportion or murders do you think are committed by members of the victim's family Andaxi?"
Could you please explain?
 
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On 3 Apr 2011 at 12:47pm DFL wrote:
You don't know you're born. The teenagers down here are so polite. Nice bunch of kids mostly.
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On 3 Apr 2011 at 4:49pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
There should be a 9pm curfew for the under 21s, and anyone in their 20s misbehaving at ngiht should have their curfew extended until the age of 30.
We never behaved like that when I was young. We got stoned instead, and couldn't be arsed to get up to naything much.
 
 
On 3 Apr 2011 at 5:29pm Teachers Pet wrote:
I think 9pm for a curfew is quite adequate as keeping them in until they are 30 could produce a problem.
I'm a good person so I never get kept in unless I need correction!
What is "naything"?
 
 
On 3 Apr 2011 at 5:33pm supporter wrote:
nothing I belive is the answer to your question
 
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On 3 Apr 2011 at 5:59pm bastian wrote:
curfews are for when we are at war,parents are renading on their vital role of keeping an eye on their kids,14-16 are still kids,mostly because of a general idea that this sort of behaviour is normal, because everyone elses kids do it...don't they?
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On 3 Apr 2011 at 6:57pm Decent Citizen. wrote:
Seems to me many parents opt out of their responsibilities.Do they know(or care)that their children are about till the early hours? Having seen,and been woken by them,I feel able to give facts,not hearsay.I have seen police clear youngsters from the wild life area in the small hours.
 
 
On 3 Apr 2011 at 7:59pm Bob Cryer wrote:
So... did Sleep Deprived call the police?
The police can't be everywhere all the time... and if they were, you would all be moaning about it.
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On 4 Apr 2011 at 11:15am 70's child wrote:
We used to get stoned AND drunk. It wasn't only that we couldn't be arsed (Annette CT)to be stroppy and noisy, we still had respect for the rest of the community, the police and parents. My parents also had respect for me. I'm disgusted to see how the general attitude has gone downhill. Listening and watching the public on the streets, how the parents speak to their children, and the bloody horrible attitudes, no wonder there are problems. With the lack of respect the laws have for those that deserve to see punishment doled out to the offenders, I'm glad I moved away. I also blame the parents,who seem to have no respect for their kids, the law or each other. I don't blame the police, who ultimately follow the laws of the land. Bring back the 70's, the magic circle, platform shoes and flares and nice policemen.
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On 4 Apr 2011 at 11:31am Hoist wrote:
I am another 70s child and didn't have respect for any of those things.
I did get stoned and drunk though.
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On 6 Apr 2011 at 10:10pm opinion of a teenager wrote:
Sleep deprived.
I am a teenager who is often in lewes and I am angry that the residents have to blame everything on youths. In my opinion there is more of a problem with drunk adults leaving the pub, than children in this town. From personal experince after about 6 o'clock in the evening the town is dead for teenagers - I think the problem lies with the drunken locals all over 30!
 
 
On 7 Apr 2011 at 11:00am davyDassy wrote:
Completely I share your opinion. In it something is and it is good idea. I support you.
 
 
On 9 Apr 2011 at 12:44am AYATOLLAH HOGMANNY wrote:
opinion of a teenager, a lot of the problems are that there is nothing to do for teenagers in Lewes so they tend to hang around the Railway Land/Court Road area and create a disturbance for the elderly and disabled people who live in the sheltered housing there, these are not 30 somethings coming home from the pubs but screeching teenagers, 30 somethings dont screech and scream all the time.
One day one of the teenagers keeping everyone awake down there will have a good reason to scream (being attacked or raped) and no one will take a blind bit of notice because its just another silly girl shrieking over nothing as usual!!!
 
 
On 12 Apr 2011 at 2:33pm opinion of a teenager wrote:
I do understand that, but in that case why doesn't anyone take a stand and make more things available for teenagers to do in this town?


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