On 1 Sep 2014 at 11:43am SHS wrote:
First vacuum cleaners over 10 watts. Soon toasters and hair-dryers. So it'll be back to dustpan & brush, a fire and a towel, no problem with that. However did it not occur to the over-paid time-on-their-hands bureaucrats in Brussels to ban petrol-powered leaf blowers, air-con units or something else more wasteful instead? Or to push motion or heat-sensitive light switches? We are indeed moving backwards in Europe....
On 1 Sep 2014 at 2:28pm Toc H Lamp wrote:
10 watts ? That ain`t much
On 1 Sep 2014 at 2:37pm PLUMPTON LAD wrote:
It is in fact 1,600 watts. Useful information on this can be found on the Which website - they point out that the wattage of the vacuum cleaner is not necessarily a guarantee of how well it will work
Check it out here »
On 1 Sep 2014 at 3:23pm Historian wrote:
Plus in two years it will be even lower. Look forward to taking a lot longer to vacuum your house. Best result ? Move to USA , China or anywhere else in the World. It's only all consuming Europe that's bringing this in. Hopefully Mr Farage will sort it for us !
On 1 Sep 2014 at 3:23pm Si Clone wrote:
And the problem with banning anything over 1600W is that if the vacuum cleaner performance (i.e. its visible ability to pick up dust etc) is directly related to the power of the motor, then people may tend to use a lower-power vacuum more often, or run it for longer, hence resulting in same amount of power being burnt.
In longer term the need to label appliances with an energy efficiency rating etc may encourage manufacturers to design more efficient vacuum cleaners, that do more work for a smaller energy usage, but when the EU starts applying the same sort of logic to electric kettles then, unless they can re-write basic laws of physics, it will always take same amount of energy to heat a fixed mass of water, so a lower powered kettle will simply take longer to heat the same quantity of water up to the same temperature - hence total energy used will be the same (or possibly even more as the new kettle will be losing energy to the cooler surroundings all the time it is trying to raise the water to 100'C, and the longer it takes to boil the water the more energy will be lost to the surroundings and thus have to be re-supplied).
As SHS says, things like heat/motion sensor light switches make more sense, as they will switch off lights in an empty room etc.
Yep, only way to reduce our energy consumption is to head back towards living in dark, dank, dirty, cold caves, as hunter-gatherers, where our only entertainment is evening sing-songs while our veg stew bubbles gently over the integrated heating/lighting/cooking appliance (otherwise known as a campfire).
Not really an attractive/ vote-winning suggestion is it though?
Hence the EU beauracrats continue to pay 'lip service' to green issues by tinkering around the edges rather than doing anything serious (but unpopular) about tackling energy consumption.
Perhaps scrapping the central EU offices and removing the need for all the return trips between MEP's (and their entourages')home States and Brussels (or Strasbourg) might be a better way to cut down on unnecessary consumption of fossil fuels within the EU?
On 1 Sep 2014 at 5:20pm Merlin Milner wrote:
I work for this company; the UK's market leader in energy saving lighting controls.
Check it out here »
On 1 Sep 2014 at 7:18pm Casey Jones wrote:
What about all the electricity powering the commuting trains Up to London and back ,5 days a week
On 1 Sep 2014 at 7:36pm Clifford wrote:
You don't understand Casey Jones, power used by environmental people doesn't count because they 'care'. It's 'the others'.
On 1 Sep 2014 at 10:53pm Mavis wrote:
That's really strange timing, I just had a telephone call from a friend at work, in new offices, which have movement sensors and the lights go off if they sense the room empty, she is working at her desk and they keep going off, so she has to wave every so often to keep them on. She says she's going to buy some sort of motion 'toy" like a newtons cradle to keep the lights on, and dreading the winter when it's dark in the afternoons !
On 2 Sep 2014 at 12:38am Jonnie fART Pants wrote:
I'm due to go on Dragons Den asking the Dragons to support 'The Portable Fart and Guff Redistribution Tube' to the tune of £200,000? or I might take it straight to the EU?
Either way its got to be on a winner!
On 2 Sep 2014 at 12:58am Jonnie fART Pants wrote:
PS..
You just Fart & Guff in the handy redistribution tube and then post away to the central pick up point. Every Fart & Guff even a little squirt goes a little way to saving our planet. Simple.. everyones a winner!
ArrhFart&Guff@Subud.RedistributionCentres.co.uk
On 2 Sep 2014 at 7:50am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
The same thing happened when they installed motion-sensitive lights in some government offices, Mavis - they had to go back to normal ones after a while. (I seem to recall it was the Marsham St offices of the then DoE, but that seems to be too good to be true).
They even had them in the lavatories, and anyone taking a long time on the bog found themselves plunged into darkness. Most annoying if you've taken a book in there with you!
On 2 Sep 2014 at 8:38am Merlin Milner wrote:
Mavis et al. They are sometimes positioned in the wrong place, set-up incorrectly, wrong models fitted for application or poor units.
On 2 Sep 2014 at 9:40am Si Clone wrote:
I work in a 24 motnh old office complex that has no traditional light switches, just heat/motion sensors, and we have no problems with them. It takes a while to get used to the fact that an un-occupied room may well be dark as you first open the door, and that there is no wall mounted switch to flick, but we have no problems (i.e. lights don't go off if there is someone in the room) - I guess they use heat sensors rather than motion sensors. As Merlin says, if set up properly the concept does work well.
Far more sense for EU to pursue that sort of energy-saving technology than simply restrict wattage of electrical appliances which risk peopel simply running them longer or more often to achieve same end result, with no nett energy saving.
On 2 Sep 2014 at 11:11am Sue Budd wrote:
The latihan makes me glow in the dark!
On 2 Sep 2014 at 11:14am Historian wrote:
And more progress coming when we want to call a local number. As of the 1st October we will have to use the STD code in front of the number.
On 2 Sep 2014 at 11:51am Merlin Milner wrote:
We make 2 types. Passive infrared, that use body heat's motion that is detected and microwave detectors that use the Doppler shift from reflections of a sent out microwave.
Most motion detectors are passive infrared (PIR).
On 2 Sep 2014 at 1:05pm STD wrote:
Sexually Transmitted Disease ?
On 2 Sep 2014 at 3:53pm Jonathan flatus breeches wrote:
those lights were installed in our indoor water closet . The problem is they only work when one sits and defecates - I asked our electrician fellow and he said that they were motion sensors and therefore only detected a bowel motion .
On 2 Sep 2014 at 5:53pm kev wrote:
Hoovers, hair dryers, toasters, what next? tumble dryers, washing MCs and Irons, you poor women will have nothing to do. ;-). right im off before I get strung up. tee hee
On 3 Sep 2014 at 1:33am Eric wrote:
ACT- only in the civil service could it be acceptable for an employee to take a book into the bog! That truly is where are taxes are going.