On 11 Nov 2009 at 2:50pm Toque wrote:
Oh dear! tinyurl.com/yktw2ez
On 11 Nov 2009 at 3:58pm Penguin wrote:
Another example of idiots in the crowd causing problems which then get held against the organisers and threaten the future of a historic and traditional event.
On 11 Nov 2009 at 5:40pm Guy wrote:
Enough is enough. What more evidence do we need? Ban all bonfire celebrations and fireworks before someone gets killed.
On 11 Nov 2009 at 6:35pm Penguin wrote:
Perhaps we should ban cars, motorbikes, alcohol, kids crossing the road, adults crossing the road come to that, flying, all dangerous sports, swimming, electricity etc, etc, etc ..... just in case someone gets killed. If you behave like an idiot, there are hundreds of ways of killing yourself or someone else, and many far more dangerous than bonfire and fireworks.
On 11 Nov 2009 at 9:02pm Toque wrote:
My posting of this link isn't an indication that I would like to see these things banned. Quite the opposite in fact, even if the odd person gets killed.
You turn up, you take the risk.
The "Oh dear!" refers to the moron who caused the incident, who unfortunately appears to have escaped a public lynching.
On 11 Nov 2009 at 11:18pm Guy wrote:
Penguin. Most of those things are essential to society to function. Outdated and offensive sectarian ceremonies, protests and dangerous fireworks are not essential, in fact the complete opposite and the sooner they are all gone the better.
On 11 Nov 2009 at 11:42pm Toque wrote:
Guy, what do you mean by 'society'? Is a healthy functioning society one that lives by rules designed to protect the individual, even if those rules are to the detriment of freedom of association and cultural expression?
Just what is essential for society to function? Ponder it deeply. Think about human society throughout the ages.
I imagine your ideal society to be something akin to Stepford.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 5:53am Expat Two wrote:
Yes, and thousands of Lewesians go to fireworks because there is absolutely nothing worthwhile to be gained, people enjoying themselves serves nil value to a functioning society? As for playing the sectarian card, that can only come from someone who doesn't understand the political backdrop of those times. I've never been terribly patriotic, but the stand against the rule of a greedily corrupt Italian dictatorship, for thats what Catholicism in the 17th century was, is something well worth celebrating.' Even if it does scare Tibbles.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 8:53am Guy wrote:
Hundreds of people are maimed every year by the 5th and fireworks. It brings chaos to many towns especially Lewes. It fans the flames of sectarianism that should be long forgotten. It serves no real other purpose. Ban it.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 9:08am walter wrote:
But it still gives every one of us freedom of choice. I think that's hugely important.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 9:25am Toque wrote:
Hundreds of people are maimed every year by drink related incidents and electrocuted by Christmas lights. Christmas brings chaos to many towns especially Lewes. It fans the flames of sectarianism that should be long forgotten. It serves no real other purpose. Ban it.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 9:48am I dont live in lewes... wrote:
Banning bonfire celebrations because of yob behaviour is just giving into yobs... and that just won't do.
The problem seems to be that when the yob element are caught they get a very stern taking to from Mr Plod, who will tell them to be VERY good boys in the future and if they're not very good boys they will treated to another stern talking to... ad infinitum.
Bound to work is that.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 10:18am Smiler wrote:
Statistically you are most likely to be murdered on Christmas day by a member of your family.
How can we apply your logic to that Guy?
On 12 Nov 2009 at 10:50am i dont live in lewes... wrote:
Kill them all first... before they do it to you!
On 12 Nov 2009 at 12:24pm Prick Stein wrote:
Statistically if your names Guy your gonna have something happen to you on the streets of Lewes! lol
On 12 Nov 2009 at 1:28pm Down and Out wrote:
Statistically, most suicides under trains happen within an hour of 11am. All train movements should be banned for two hours each day.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 1:54pm Toque wrote:
Statistically you're more likely to die horseriding than you are from taking ecstasy. Ban horseriding - it only encourages jodhpurs - and go raving instead :|
On 12 Nov 2009 at 2:48pm Penguin wrote:
3 out of every 10 statistics are made up...! By the way Toque, I didn't take your 'oh dear' that way, my post was directed at Guy.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 3:10pm sashimi wrote:
Don't ban them. Hotlips looks so good in jodhpurs with the beast between her knees.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 8:24pm Brixtonbelle wrote:
life must be very boring in Guy's world.
On 12 Nov 2009 at 9:40pm Guy wrote:
Boring but safe.
On 13 Nov 2009 at 12:28am Cynic wrote:
'Most of those things are essential to society to function.' My studies of history suggest we had a functioning society before the invention of car and electricity etc..
On 13 Nov 2009 at 1:00am Guy wrote:
Exactly. Society changes. Needs change. We need some things. We dont need bonfire in this day and age.
On 13 Nov 2009 at 1:24am Inflammatory wrote:
GUY, I don't see how your world is "boring but safe"? Your fantasy world might be boring but safe, unfortunately for you it is just a fantasy. Our world is fun, dangerous and full of explosives. We don't need people like you in Sussex so i'd watch out next time your heading down a twitten, you do know they can be very dangerous don't you?
On 13 Nov 2009 at 9:42am Papist Plot wrote:
So, Guy. In your completely safe utopia with no activities that can harm anyone, everyone safely wrapped in cotton wool, where are you going to house all the extra people that will live to a ripe old age?
It's a harsh reality, but society depends on a certain amount of early death to maintain balance. If everyone lives to say 90, that's going to put a hell of a strain on the infrastructure of the country. Which will equal more taxes.
Then we have the scientifically proven fact that Homo Erectus needs a level of fear, a certain amount of danger in life to function. Extreme sports, 'dangerous' activities provide this. Taking all that away will create a dull shell of existence. Much like the North.
You're a fantasist. By all means don't like Bonfire, that is your right, but please stop continually banging on about it as you're not doing yourself any favours. Present a reasonable, constructive argument ('it's dangerous' isn't really an argument) and maybe people will debate it with you. However, arguing for banning all dangerous stuff is futile and makes you sound like a blunt pencil. Pointless.
On 17 Nov 2009 at 12:30am Me 2 wrote:
Those that shout the loudest know the leastest . . U guy have the freedom of speech that was denied to all untill after late 1600s . . By freedom of speech, I mean religion, opinion, politics etc etc . Many forbears of yours unless they were one eyed cretins fought for your freedom so that you can rant and rave to your hearts delight. All the Lewes Bonfire Night is doing is declaring that right to do so . So shut the f**K UP x x