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On 31 Oct 2019 at 8:09pm webbo wrote:
Lib Dems are the only option in LEWES if you are a remainer. Any other vote here will benefit the Tories.
Labour know it and if they have any sense they’d drop out now.
On 31 Oct 2019 at 9:34pm nancy wrote:
We had a good MP but the dozy people of Lewes decided he wasn't good enough. They got what they deserved.
On 31 Oct 2019 at 11:10pm Tom Pain wrote:
So we forget the referendum result and carry on as before. I hope you fully understand what that means.What I can't understand is why you recommend voting for anyone when it can just be ignored and you're quite contented with it. I think it's called cognitive dissonance.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 7:27am Sussex Jim wrote:
We have a good MP for Lewes, Maria Caulfield. She has worked hard behind the scenes; and secured funding for several local projects, like the regeneration of Newhaven High Street. Just because her party do not parade around on Cliffe bridge on Saturdays, it doesn't mean that they are inactive.
The 2016 referendum was a national vote. Everyone who is democratic should respect the outcome. We do not want to get into a civil war between Leavers and Remainers.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 8:41am dave wrote:
Maria’s Caulfield a good MP??
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!
On 1 Nov 2019 at 9:59am Nevillman wrote:
I agree webbo and it's disappointing that the greens and labour are standing here. I accept that they have every right to do so but they must be aware that if they split the vote and allow the Tory to win here they cannot be sure that they will be forgiven in future national and local elections. It's a shame that the remain supporting parties can't come to a sensible agreement nationally.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 10:51am Mark wrote:
It would probably be a short civil war, Jim. Current polling suggests Leave is a minority opinion.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 12:52pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I'd vote Labour or Greens if they were in the position to win the seat, but they aren't, so I'm happy to vote Liberal Democrats (again) under the circumstances.

I ultimately favour a people's vote, so if a lib/lab/SNP coalition agree to that, it would probably be the best outcome in my view. However, if the country vote lib Dems by a majority then it's clearly a mandate to revoke article 50 anyway, so I wouldn't begrudge that. Same as if the turkeys vote for (Christmas) a Brexit party, if they win a majority then fair enough and God help us all! We really do live in ridiculous times.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 5:15pm LamDan wrote:
Boris Johnson is not a Leaver, he just jumped on the Brexit bandwagon to fulfill his ambition of being PM. He is left presiding over a Conservative Part that is moving further right towards a low tax/low public spending regime and could shift further right if it has to enter into an election pact with the Brexit Party.
Labour would be nailed on to win the election if it remained a left of centre moderate socialist party to which two thirds of its MP's support but it is being driven further left by its leader and his close allies towards a high taxation/ Low enterprise regime that wants to move from a moderately mixed economy to a predominantly nationalised economy.
Nobody can claim that there is hardly any difference between Conservative and Labour any more. To think that these shifts have been largely driven by the minority arms of their parties ie, the ERG and Momentum.
The LIbDems are now the only party occupying the centre ground of UK politics after about three decades of Conservative and Labour wrestling for the centralist vote. If you are not a Right wing Conservative or a Left Wing Labour the LibDems is probably the only option but old habits die hard so some people will blindly vote as they have always voted.
On 1 Nov 2019 at 9:54pm Bongo wrote:
Sussex Jim, who has financed the regeneration of Newhaven High St?
On 2 Nov 2019 at 7:14am nancy wrote:
Newhaven has been in terminal decline for 50 years. A quick tart up is nothing to be proud of.
On 2 Nov 2019 at 11:12am Green Sleeves wrote:
It seems like The Brexit Party will be fielding candidates in most seats now, given that Boris does not want to work with Farage to secure marginal constituencies. Perhaps the BXP will take a few thousand gammon votes off Maria's lot, leaving the way for Lib Dems to re-take Lewes. We can dream.
On 2 Nov 2019 at 12:38pm Mark wrote:
Weird that Cameron put forward a referendum, despite being a firm remainer, as a strategy to win votes for his party and get rid of UKIP and neo-UKIP are still threatening to split the Tory vote.
On 2 Nov 2019 at 12:40pm Mark wrote:
Delighted that this is on the cards, obviously, subtract the real neanderthal, knuckle-draggers from the pool of Tory voters and there's only the support that's left.
On 2 Nov 2019 at 4:15pm Sleeveless wrote:
Mark, why can’t you take the venom out of your argument? Are such comments really necessary? Similar tone to what Ian Lavery has been tweeting also.
On 3 Nov 2019 at 11:50am Mark wrote:
Because I'm angry, Sleeveless. If you met me in Tescos I'd be lovely and polite. I would probably pull my trolley to the side so that you could pass. I'm angry that blind people and people with Arthritis in this area are made to make trips to Brighton in order to have their disabilities assessed. I'm angry that they will need to find their way along the pavements working through rough sleepers. I'm angry about the fact that our PM, while married and Mayor of London, handed thousands of pounds of public money to an American woman 30 years younger than him because he fancied a shag and the entire issue appears to have just.... gone.... now... Vanished in a puff of smoke.
On 3 Nov 2019 at 2:36pm Sleeveless wrote:
Ah, but Mark, haven’t politicians been asked to tone down their choice of words? I guess you’re not a politician, but nevertheless shouldn’t you be doing the same?
On 3 Nov 2019 at 5:53pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Mark could have instead used the terms "racists/bigots", but that seems to offend them the most, so he was in a way being kind by referring to them as "knuckle-draggers". The truth sadly does hurt.

Good to see Trump (king bigot), endorsing his fellow right-wing chums (bigots) in Farage and Johnson on LBC the other day. If that political endorsement doesn't make the more "moderate" brexit/tory voters seriously question their own options, then I guess nothing else will. Seriously, your movement, leadership is fully backed by Donald Trump....let that hideous thought just detonate in your brain, as you think rationally about it.
On 4 Nov 2019 at 3:24pm RussianRuble wrote:
This thread is hilarious.
The support for the Oxy Morons is staggering. What life experience does Oli Henman have? He's never grown up and spent the last 20 years hugging trees. Another non local import the Oxy Morons think will be a winner have done the political circuit.
Our current MP didn't get in to it for a career. She worked as a nurse in the NHS for years. She's had a real job, genuinely and actively cared for people and not just talked about it as a "human rights campainer".
She has lived in the real world, paid tax and contributed to our society.
I cannot think of anyone more qualified to be our MP.
Thank you Maria.
On 4 Nov 2019 at 3:35pm dave wrote:
Well just a quick look at her voting record proves she’s not fit to be our MP
On 4 Nov 2019 at 3:42pm RussianRuble wrote:
Just because you don't agree with her doesn't mean she's wrong.
I'm delighted with her voting record.
She responds to letters and emails and is a remarkably effective MP.
Much more so than the wannabe rockstar she replaced.
On 4 Nov 2019 at 8:14pm Planet Person wrote:
People, vote for who you want to. Don’t be blinded by others. We all have a freedom of speech and expression. Those who seek to change us, they are the problem..!
On 5 Nov 2019 at 11:59am Sleeveless wrote:
According to Jeremy Corbyn today, if the Tories get in, they will allow Rat Hairs in paprika and maggots in orange juice. Really?
On 5 Nov 2019 at 12:27pm Green Sleeves wrote:
Sleeveless, provide a source link and/or context.

I'm guessing, but have not heard Labours actual statement that drew your hysteria, that it would relate to Tories loosening regulations that are aimed at ensuring hygienic food preparation/practice. Context is everything though.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 1:13pm Sleeveless wrote:
In all the overnight press. Due to be in his speech at Harlow today. Maybe dropped following Keir Starmer not recognising the issue.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 1:19pm RussianRuble wrote:
It's on the BBC website if you think they're a reliable source.
This election is a vote for the least worst party.
Unfortunately the colour is still blue, and a lot of people will feel blue because of it.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 1:32pm Green Sleeves wrote:
I had to google it, and the first source was.....of course, The Daily Mail. Its hardly an astonishing claim - if you row back food standards and regulations on industries connected with the supply and preparation of food, you're going to have in general lower quality hygiene. Its why the regulations are there in the first place to prevent businesses from taking short-cuts.

Even WITH reasonably high standards, its inevitable that some food will contain blemishes, parasites, bacteria and worse....but why increase that chance? "Ooooo the worlds gone mad with all its 'elf n safety". No, its common sense rules and standards to ensure fewer of us get sick, or eat gross stuff.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 1:37pm Mark wrote:
I was vaguely curious about in what way a quote had been deliberately misinterpreted. It seems that what he said was that in the USA the FDA identify "acceptable levels" of things like hair and maggots. Which is probably true, I suppose.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 2:12pm Sleeveless wrote:
Just to be even handed, headlines in The Mirror - “ Jeremy Corbyn warns Tory US trade deal could put rat hairs and maggots in food”.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 2:14pm Sleeveless wrote:
The trouble is, today’s young voters believe what they are told.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 2:34pm Mark wrote:
Sleeveless, this IS how it works. US free trade areas involve political control from Washington that make the EU look like nothing. After NAFTA a US company tried to introduce widespread fracking in Canada. The people of Quebec held a referendum and tried to ban fracking. Washington told them that they couldn't do this. That it was infringement on trade. Enjoy your maggots.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 2:36pm Sensible wrote:
The MP for Lewes has done a demonstrably excellent job at representing, in her voting record, the genuinely-held opinions of her constituents, not just the loud-mouthed soap-dodging, terrorist-loving 'artistic' scroungers of the town. If the country is to become normal again, true Conservatives must crush opposition in this generation and the next, and repeal laws that oppose order.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 2:52pm Sleeveless wrote:
You are showing your age Mark.
On 5 Nov 2019 at 7:39pm Mark wrote:
I think that what I'm showing is that I have a fairly good understanding of where the extreme right wing of the Tory party wants to take us.
On 7 Nov 2019 at 7:12am Chester Packov-Lyze wrote:
Mark - I think the extreme right wing is all that remains of the Tory party. The others have left
On 3 Dec 2019 at 7:27am DfL_in_Lewes wrote:
The Tories are dishonest. They are shamelessly lying because they know their core voters do not care. They are promising to spend less money then they took away to fix problems of their making. And do not claim austerity was the reason unless it had a special clause saying that a £1bn bribe to the most backward looking bunch of politicians (the DUP) was excluded.
If you are defending and/or intending to vote for the Tories it says a lot about you.
All the voices against a 2nd referendum are afraid. Afraid that now there are some actual positive facts available about the benefits of EU membership. Afraid that most of the negative things about EU membership have been trashed.
But hey, our ERG-adoring Tory MP got a road tidied up in Newhaven.

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