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NHS pay

On 2 Jul 2017 at 10:12pm Fairmeadow wrote:
Congratulations to our Lewes MP for coming out in favour of paying our nurses a bit better (or a bit less badly). Might make it a bit easier to recruit the numbers we need. Abolishing tuition fees for new nursing trainees might help even more.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 7:31am The people wrote:
But why did she vote against the removal of the 1% cap on pay rises for public service workers. She cannot be trusted.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 8:16am Fairmeadow wrote:
By nailing her colours to the mast in a public interview on the main national BBC evening news she is either making an irreversible commitment based on her long personal experience in the local NHS in a major controversy for her party or she is better connected than we might have imagined and acting as a stalking horse for senior Cabinet colleagues trying to shift her party's direction on austerity in the public sector.
Either way I suspect the vast majority of her Lewes constituents, whoever they voted for last month, will agree with her.
We are losing far too many nurses because of the way the NHS treats its employees. It needs to up its game, get rid of the bullying culture that has been made so many lives miserable and treat its employees with more care and consideration. Both nursing and teaching train huge numbers of bright young people, at considerable expense, and then wonder why their retention rates are so dreadful. The answer is: it's all down to the way you treat them.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 8:33am maggie wrote:
What is fascinating is how the current disloyalty to exhibited by Gove, Johnson et al in terms of their sudden dedication to relieving the burden of the so called ideology of 'austerity', reveals the true colours of the Conservative party. It is a party that has no principle except that of pursuing power in order to protect capital.
They are revealed in this about turn as a party of cynical opportunists ready to impose a cruel system on ordinary people for years when it suits and equally ready to abandon it when their neoliberal aim to dismantle the state appears to be threatened. This move is a true reveal of their disdain for ordinary people. The Conservatives have no moral principle whatsoever.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 9:27am Cobblers wrote:
And I suppose corbyn isn't interested in power?????
On 3 Jul 2017 at 9:55am Really Cobblers? wrote:
It couldn't be simpler. Corbyn wants to be in power to do the right thing for the country. May wants to be in power to do the right thing for herself and her friends.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 11:43am Cobblers wrote:
With all due respect that is a rather puerile and childish comment. Do you actually know anything about politics or politicians? Methinks not.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 12:11pm Tit for tat wrote:
Corbyn wants power for his mates i.e.the unions
On 3 Jul 2017 at 1:16pm bobobob wrote:
Fairmeadow, I'm slightly confused.

She voted against removing the cap. Talk is cheap, when it came down to a vote she bottled it.

Are you saying that most Lewes residents agree that she should continue to talk one way but vote another?

If she feels strongly about it she is in the position to make a difference but she doesn't. Counts against her in my book.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 3:52pm Fairmeadow wrote:
@bobobob: If she now goes and votes again for a 1% pay rise for NHS staff I will agree with you. But I don't think she can. And in my view she has helped the country see it can't.
Politics is the art of the possible. Every party politician, including much more established and highly paid ones than our MP, has to decide when to pick their battle and when to go along with their party, whatever their personal views.
Interesting times, when neither party leader can credibly command their MPs' loyalty, yet no party, or credible combination of parties, has a majority. One leader a party loyalist whose own views are, as a matter of policy, carefully hidden; the other a lifelong extremist never happier than when rebelling against his own party leadership and conniving with those who wish his country ill.
It believe "May you live in interesting times" is well known as a curse.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 4:35pm @Cobblers wrote:
With respect, you shouldn't believe everything you read in the Telepgraph and the Mail.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 5:33pm bobobob wrote:
Fairmeadow, I don't think we really needed MC to help us see that 1% pay rise for 10 years isn't sustainable. It's political opportunism and hypocrisy at best.
If May had won a majority none of the Conservative MPs would have said what they are recently.
If it's something you believe you should be standing by it at all times, not just when it makes you popular. That's a trait I definitely don't want in my MP.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 6:05pm Earl of Lewess wrote:
@Wordsworth - You're not from Yorkshire, by any chance, are you?
On 3 Jul 2017 at 7:05pm Fairmeadow wrote:
BBC South East News today (NOT the Daily Mail, @cobblers).
Interviewer: "So you think nurses' pay should be increased by more than 1%?"
Maria Caulfield: "Absolutely".
So that seems a fairly clear commitment then, against which she can be judged.
Various other Sussex Tory MPs are now making similar noises, but it was Maria who was the first to put her head above the parapet and is leading the charge.
I appreciate there are a few bigots on this forum who can't see beyond their "Tory = bad" blinkers, but anyone fair minded will give credit where it is due.
@The people: The reason for the vote you complain about was, it appears, that it was coupled to a wrecking amendment to the Queen's speech.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 9:23pm Newms wrote:
Fairmeadow Maria Caulfield , voted against lifting the pay cap, she tried to disguise this with waffle about Parliamentary tactics, tweeting that “Lifting the cap is already on the agenda for the budget” And “Important we don't just lift the cap but give a meaningful pay rise ..”( see her tweet)
Sounds like a promise to lift the pay cap and throw cash at nurses doesn`t it? In fact it means sweet FA and should anyone doubt it Ms May has now clarified
……pay rates for the professions for the current financial year have already been set at a below inflation capped level…..
It was then that she off she popped to whine on R4 , …..: "It's a difficult, stressful, responsible job and if people aren't paid enough so they can make ends meet they will go and do something else” she blubbed ,"I think there is resentment building and not just in nursing, but across the public sector” she pointlessly opined
That is not money Fairmeadow it is pantomime .Try to understand that this is the manifesto on which she campaigned it is Conservative Party Policy , …. did you not notice it ? Well at least one nurse had a stellar pay rise its bloody tragic that you fall for this cobblers.
Excuse me for Preaching hate /(* which means expressing a political view now by the way)

PS FCS The only reason the amendment to the Queens speech was a wrecking amendment was precisely because IT IS CONSERVATIVE PARTY POLICY ARRRRRRRRG......

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