On 1 May 2020 at 7:53pm Nevillman wrote:
Isn't the NHS a publicly funded body that provides our health care paid out of our various forms of tax? It should not be reliant on any charity. The more it does so, the less will be the responsibility of the government. There are lots of worthwhile charities if you want to help people.
On 1 May 2020 at 10:37pm endoftheouse wrote:
In 2016 the NHS failed to recoup £291 million in that year which was owed by EEA/EU countries and no doubt is still going on each year. So maybe if the NHS billed these countries and we kept our near £14 billion overseas aid each year we could scale down on the charity with their overpaid CEO's.
On 2 May 2020 at 11:07am Nevillman wrote:
Having benefited from the EH111c card in the EU on a number of occasions and thinking we had a reciprocal arrangement I don't know what that money is endof.
I just read that one of the wealthiest men in the UK, the Duke of Westminster has donated to NHS charities. This is the man who avoided all inheritance tax and God knows what other taxes. Why doesn't he start paying his due rather than giving his spare change away when he feels like it? Virgin seem to be involved in the charities too. More tax Dodgers who think they can pay what they like as charity rather than their dues.
I normally don't like it when people go on about rights but free health care in this country is your right. Do not let it become a charity. Paying your tax is a duty. Employing expensive accountants to help you avoid it may be legal but it is at the very least dereliction of that duty.
On 2 May 2020 at 7:30pm Sensible wrote:
You have no right to healthcare. By believing in such a right, you claim to be able to dictate how my private resources, accumulated by my ancestors and the charges I levy, are used. Neither have you this right. It is immoral to make wealthy people and medical professionals slaves to your lifestyle choices or indiscipline regarding saving or purchasing insurance. Just as there are foodbanks, so also sufficient minimal charity exists for the most unfortunate cases. Claiming 'rights' that never existed before has driven this country to filth.
On 2 May 2020 at 10:09pm Local99 wrote:
One of the main problems with the NHS is people like Nevillman thinking that it's free.
On 3 May 2020 at 8:06am Nevillman wrote:
I'm not suggesting that free at the point of delivery health care is a fundamental human right but I am saying that since the NHS was set up and has been continually voted for by the electorate in that all winning governments have supported it, then it is your right. If an elected government is voted in to abolish it then it no longer is a right to free health care at the point of delivery. Sensible, you are free to support any party that decides to abolish the NHS and allow you to spend your wealth how you like. In the meantime you have a duty to continue paying for it and have a right to the health care it provides as a citizen of this country.
Local. I think I make it very clear above that the NHS is free at the point of delivery but has to be paid for by people acting responsibly and paying their tax unlike tax dodgers. If you stand by your post still you are going to have to explain your point to me more clearly.
On 4 May 2020 at 11:42am The Old Mayor wrote:
Charities are a great tax dodge for the super rich, always have been. take the local cinema for instance. has its benefit's, of course, and saves paying tax towards items the donors may find obnoxious. It has the overall effect of lowering your total taxable income, thus saving personal tax
On 4 May 2020 at 12:13pm Tom Pain wrote:
Hi Nev, hope you've had a few drinks since your book review. It's always much easier to review things you haven't read, it saves the bother of thinking. To be honest I had no expectations of success, the book just shows how a gang of pirates got hold of the national currency using a honey trap femme fatale to hoodwink Charles ll. This mafia then went on to capture the economy of the world, pretty boring stuff to bon viveurs like yourself, I suppose.
On 4 May 2020 at 1:46pm Nevillman wrote:
Tom. Presumably you have nothing to say on this thread which is about whether the NHS should be regarded as a charity. I am happy to discuss what del Mar did or did not write about on the pedantry thread or another thread if you care to start one about this subject.
On 4 May 2020 at 10:40pm Local99 wrote:
"I normally don't like it when people go on about rights but free health care in this country is your right."
Far too many people think the NHS is free – which often manifests itself in absurdly disrespectful behaviour towards it, such as the tens of thousands of missed appointments, the abuse of A&E, and so on.
There's a lot to be said for adopting the German system of clear contributions to health insurance, which pays for their system. No-one in Germany ever states that their system is free.
On 4 May 2020 at 10:51pm Nevillman wrote:
If you won't accept the point I make about feeling that I clearly implied I meant free at the point of delivery that is up to you local. Do you really think that I actually think it is free in that all the doctors and nurses turn up without pay? Please read the rest of my posts on this subject. If you want to raise the subject of how the NHS is funded then I am very interested to read what you say. I am prepared to consider any ideas but I hope I made it clear I am not happy about the idea of charity being used.
Is health care still free at the point of delivery in Germany?