On 16 Apr 2013 at 2:08pm Grassy Knoll wrote:
Bet the UK security services are grateful to whoever planted the Boston bombs as they can now justify a massive presence on the streets of London tomorrow. Problem, reaction, solution.
On 16 Apr 2013 at 2:16pm jrsussex wrote:
How does a persons mind work that even thinks, much less commits those thoughts to print, that the UK security service are grateful due to people having being killed, maimed and seriously injured? It is beyond belief.
On 16 Apr 2013 at 2:23pm Grassy Knoll wrote:
What is beyond belief jrsussex is that you have bought the government line on terrorism so wholly that this is how you interpret my post. I am disgusted by the loss life as you obviously are too. Ask your self a question. Who benefits from the Boston bombing? Uncomfortable answer isn't it?
On 16 Apr 2013 at 2:33pm Ember wrote:
Who benefits? Presumably the terrorists that wish to impose their will upon innocent civilians?
Or do they not benefit at all and it's actually the police in a different country?
Good grief. Are you a Truther too?
On 16 Apr 2013 at 2:41pm jrsussex wrote:
I haven't bought any line on terrorism, I hate all terrorists when they kill and maim ordinary people whose deaths will play no part in them achieving their aims. I have no idea who benefits from the Boston bombing, certainly not the families of those involved and neither mankind in general.
Well said Ember.
On 16 Apr 2013 at 3:03pm grafter wrote:
Grassyknoll, I suspect you are also Nixonscraypes.
The slogan you quote is a favourite of David Icke no less.
I am all for free speech bit you seem to be digging a hole...are you going to keep digging?
On 16 Apr 2013 at 4:36pm bastian wrote:
I know the bombs did damage and of course it is nasty when people get killed(collatoral as the Americans would call it if it were the other way around- see Iraq) but they didn't look very proffessional by any terroriat standards. They looked like a thunderflash. It will, without a doubt make the security people look like less of a waste of public money (though the state funded funeral-which seems very out of keeping with mrs T's policey-she would not have approved) one mans terrorist is another mans hero-does anyone know who actually claims to have done it, and was it the Tea party protesting about tax...it's been done before in Boston.
On 16 Apr 2013 at 5:56pm Rookie wrote:
I would have a guess it's probably just one individual, doing something similar to the Atlanta Olympics bombing of 1996, rather than an organised terrorist group.
On 16 Apr 2013 at 7:02pm bastian wrote:
yeah! to their shock and shame it's probabley a white all American, like the Oklahoma bombing. Not aterorist, just a nutter...America seems to have more thantheir fair share of those. Must be something to do with freedom and moxy.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 6:55am Clifford wrote:
No cause justifies terrorism. The Boston bombings are as evil as the terrorist invasion of Iraq by Britain and the US. State terrorism and non-state terrorism are equally wrong.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 8:26am Sussex Jim wrote:
Can we please get back to the subject of this thread (according to the title) and just show some respect on this sad day for a lady many of us admired and will remember for a long time in a positive light.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 8:52am Clifford wrote:
Sussex Jim - I've got every sympathy for her family, who have lost a mother an grandmother. I detested her politics and her actions but one thing I'd say for her - she delighted in political combat and would never have tried to close down comment, as you have.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 9:36am grafter wrote:
I'd much prefer people to be rude on forums about her rather than waste police time by ruining a funeral. Listening to the leader of the" turn your back protest " on the Today programme I got the distinct impression it was all about her rather than any kind of reasoned political manifesto. But I am glad they are allowed to do it and not suppressed as when the Chinese Premier was here.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 10:44am Nevil Rook wrote:
Tamp the soil down good boys.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 11:08am red ken wrote:
Remember the Belgrano.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 11:55am skate wrote:
Yes, and I remember the 6" guns it could have brought to bear on us,larger and of greater range than anything in the task force, capable of attacking from nearly 15 miles away. Bearing in mind the task force had already been attacked by air at that stage too. It could also have been carrying exocet.
Also, why is the Belgrano special,don't you care about the conscripts who starved or were bayoneted or shot. It's so easy to just post a slogan. Now, who among you attended Michael Foot's funeral?
On 17 Apr 2013 at 12:14pm Nevil Rook wrote:
I did and nobody booed.But whats that got to do with the most hated woman in history ?
On 17 Apr 2013 at 12:23pm Clifford wrote:
Skate: I suppose what's special about the Belgrano is that Thatcher felt the need to lie about the direction it was travelling. You give a reasonable description of the need to sink the ship, but Thatcher felt she had to lie the justify the sinking. That's the significance. And who can't feel sorry for the terrified and badly trained conscripts who were forced by their government to face one of the best trained and most experiences troops in the world?
On 17 Apr 2013 at 1:12pm jrsussex wrote:
Clifford - I agree entirely with your comment on the "badly trained conscripts" but the fault for that lies with Argentina, not the British Government
On 17 Apr 2013 at 4:05pm bastian wrote:
Clifford, just to step back to an earlier post, but Thatcher didn't engage in open debate on politics, she just kept saying " listen" and "you must understand" that is not debate. Infact she was single minded and quite unable to see anyone elses point of view......that's why she was able to do the things she did.
Those of us who were old enough to be adults in her political lfetime know how she changed the way ordinairy people think, she divided people, she didn't bring people together. She took mens jobs away tobuy coal from China (which has no health and safety laws where life is cheap) and then told them they were dole scroungers.( followed up by Tebbit saying "get on your bike to find work"thus dividing famillies).
The final insult is for us to be paying for this ridiculous funeral and the police escort/security for someone who, at last, can't do us anymore harm. Sadly the damage is done, but look at how many people haven't forgotton or forgiven......it's not just a handful.
On 17 Apr 2013 at 6:12pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Clifford- I was not trying to close down the thread. But it was entitled "Mrs. T's send off" and then all posts talked about a different subject!
On 17 Apr 2013 at 9:52pm What Next? wrote:
Amazing how all you armchair middle class socialists weep over the deaths of fascist aggressors.
On 18 Apr 2013 at 1:50pm Clifford wrote:
What Next? wrote: 'Amazing how all you armchair middle class socialists weep over the deaths of fascist aggressors.'
As one of these armchair socialists, I'd never call Thatcher a fascist aggressor and I'm surprised you do. She was democratically elected, albeit with less than 50% of the vote. Thatcher was, you'll remember, a great pal of Pinochet, the military dictator of Chile.
On 19 Apr 2013 at 1:26am Expat Two wrote:
And Jimmy Saville, the country's most successful paedophile. Coincidence?