On 1 Jan 2015 at 7:33pm Tony Pollybee wrote:
Over the last few weeks I have noticed an awful lot of police doing random breath tests in the early mornings ( 8am ish ) and very few in the very early hours ( midnight to 2am ).
I am very lucky, my wife doesn't drink and has very kindly been doing all the driving home from parties late at night and then to work in the morning.
Please don't think that I am giving it the big I am but I know that I could have an 8 pint session, finish at 11pm, go home and have 8 hours sleep, a bath, breakfast and be perfectly fit to drive by 9 oclock. Acording to the calculator they have put on line I would still be over the limit till 4pm that afternoon ( 1 hour for each unit + an hour )
The crucial point to my argument is that whilst alcohol may still be in your system at 9am it isn't in your head. I would say that someone driving around with a bad cold or the flu was a much higher risk than someone who had a few 10 to 12 hours earlier. I know that everyone is different but the simple tests that the Americans use to do ( placing our finger on your nose from an out stretched arm, walking tipe rope fashion along a line ) would determine whether or not someone is fit to drive.
Personally speaking I would rather the police concentrated their efforts on late night drink driving rather than morning after.
On 1 Jan 2015 at 8:01pm Rods Tiger wrote:
So, if I've understood correctly, the alcohol will still be in your blood, so you would fail police testing, but it wouldn't be in your brain.
I think I'll leave it to someone else to explain to you.
On 2 Jan 2015 at 7:04am xplorer1 wrote:
A lost cause I fear, Rod
On 2 Jan 2015 at 7:40am Tony Pollybee wrote:
Have you not heard the expression " that glass of wine has gone straight to my head ". Before now I have parked up in town to have a pint on the way home. On leaving the pub, even though I could leagally drivde, I have felt the alcohol in my head and decieded to walk home.
I'm not a doctor but there clearly is a difference between having alcohol in your head and in your system .
On 2 Jan 2015 at 10:22am Outintheestates wrote:
Isn't it about time they brought in road side drug testing as we
On 2 Jan 2015 at 10:57am Humbert wrote:
I say well done to the police. I hope they catch lots of people this way. It's a false premise to say that because you can't feel it it isn't still affecting you: slowing your reactions, making you make bad decisions, making your attention less acute...
On 2 Jan 2015 at 11:34am oh dear wrote:
firstly , there is a drugs road test , and secondly and mainly , if you were to refuse to give a breath test they would take you to the station and get a medically trained nurse or doctor draw blood so you would defo be over the limit , also and further more the brain is supplied by blood so either way it would still effect ur cognitive abilities. I am happy that the police are safeguarding people and trying to protect those families from people being killed by people who think it is acceptable to drink and drive whether last thing at night or the morning after , as I am sure you would feel and agree with, had one of friends or family lost some due to this selfish behaviour
On 2 Jan 2015 at 12:39pm Raspberry Ripple wrote:
I walk with a limp and have a dead foot thanks to an uninsured drunk driver . Took me 4 years to get compo . WTF is it with this country? Everyone rolled over @ the smoking ban and yet we still love the p*ss head .
On 2 Jan 2015 at 4:01pm Useful Advice wrote:
If you get stopped and you think you may be a little over the limit then you need to buy yourself some time. Fake a heart attack or asthma attack. The filth have a duty of care to you once they've stopped you and must call for medical assistance
This will buy you a couple of hours until they can test you and hopefully you'll be in the clear
If you've had 12 pints then you'll get what you deserve though
On 2 Jan 2015 at 4:45pm Tony Pollybee wrote:
Humbert, what proof do you have that just because you can't feel the effect of the alcohol it doesn't mean that your reactions aren't affected?
I would love the opportunity of taking part in some sort of controlled experiment if only to prove myself wrong.
I'm not advocating drink driving, what I'm saying is that in most cases an individual who is over the limit in and around mid night is more of a danger on the road than someone who is over the following morning. My worry is that the Police are working on getting results and this is much easier in the mornings where people are waking up, feeling fine and are unaware that they are over.
On 2 Jan 2015 at 4:51pm Humbert wrote:
Google the work of academia on the affects of alcohol on memory and performance the day after drinking and enlighten yourself. There's lots of evidence alcohol supresses your nervous system for as long as it is in your body. Yes the police should catch people the night they are drinking, but it's good they've raised awareness that the next day people are still over the limit and therefore a danger eh?
On 2 Jan 2015 at 6:45pm skeptical green wrote:
The original poster is wrong but his error is perfectly understandable. Alcohol has really complex effects on the both the brain and the central nervous system. It depresses the latter over a long period so effects on reaction times are quite long lasting, i.e. into the 'morning after' The effects in the brain itself are on a whole range of neuro transmitters - the chemicals that brain cells use to communicate with each other. These do vary over time from the ingestion of the alcohol. So for instance the inhibition of one such chemical in the areas concerned with memory is unlikely to be acting so strongly many hours after drinking. That is why you may have memory loss about the evening out but when still over the limit the next morning will suffer no such problem with remembering your breakfast by mid morning. Likewise some of the effects on pleasure and social warmth feelings will definitely be gone the next day! A lot of other effects last quite a long time too, so that the OP may feel a lot safer as a driver the morning after but in fact is not. The other problem is that individuals vary a lot in the rates at which they metabolise alcohol and this may change as they age and liver function alters. If the rest of the UK adopts the lower limit proposed in Scotland and in force in some continental countries, morning after offences will be even more likely to be accidentally committed. Best advice is to drink moderately if expecting to drive the next morning!
On 2 Jan 2015 at 7:30pm Fred wrote:
Hark at her/him.
On 2 Jan 2015 at 11:49pm Clifford wrote:
The main thing is that all the morons who think it's fine to get tanked up and then throw half a ton of metal round the roads should be able to do so whenever they want. Just as long as they don't get blood on their driving gloves.
On 3 Jan 2015 at 12:01am Rog wrote:
I think that part of the point of the first post has been ignored. Don't we want the police to deter drunk driving at night, when the drinking is occurring, and the driving much worse? Are we in danger of people thinking, on their confused state 'yes, I'll have another pint, as long as I don't hit a tree I'll be alright, it's not like I'm going to drive in the morning'? But are random tests really being conducted in the morning and not the evening?
On 3 Jan 2015 at 12:03am Rog wrote:
Oh- and the first two posts are so obviously from the same person it's embarrassing.
On 3 Jan 2015 at 8:16am head down the bog wrote:
It`s bingeing that is the worst. Have you lost a G. rog ?
On 3 Jan 2015 at 10:00am oh dear wrote:
I know before Christmas the police has a drink drive check point at the traffic lights at the top of malling one night, and they were stopping people further along the A26 the following morning
On 3 Jan 2015 at 1:05pm Rods Tiger wrote:
Rog - I am definitely not the idiot who made the first post, who thinks that alcohol in his blood doesn't affect his head, and driving. I think you must have read mine wrong.
On 3 Jan 2015 at 5:11pm Paulo wrote:
I'm an idiot am I. Are you saying that when you have a few to many, 8 hours sleep, bath and breakfast you are still aware of the alcolhol in your head?
On 3 Jan 2015 at 6:45pm Sergio wrote:
You talka da balls
On 4 Jan 2015 at 1:47am Rog wrote:
@rods tiger- what was the second post has dissappeared (Paulo has proved my point by forgetting his own name!) Same bonkers spelling- wholehearted and immediate support for a silly comment.
On 4 Jan 2015 at 8:18am not forgotten wrote:
@ Grog - Paulo Sergio isa his name, spamming isa his game
On 4 Jan 2015 at 10:03am skeptical green wrote:
Er Paulo nobody is saying that. Of course your blood alcohol levels will be lower after 8 hours! Of course you will be less impaired than the point at which these levels peaked after the drinking session! The point is that if the alcohol levels are still over the limit then you will still be impaired in judgment and reaction times. The point about police prioritising morning after arrests is an interesting one. On the above analysis it would be less effective at preventing accidents as the drivers would be less impaired, but if the driver is banned he or she won't be driving in the evening for a while. I would have thought it would be more sensible to use the morning stops as an additional rather than alternative measure.
On 4 Jan 2015 at 10:52am wrote:
At what rate does alcohol leave the body ? I have it in my head from some official stats read long ago that it takes about an hour to get rid of a unit of alcohol from the blood. At that rate 8 pints is equivalent to a minimum 16 units of alcohol and would not leave anyone safe to drive the morning after, even with 8 hours sleep, shower and breakfast.
Seems to me a good move by the police to do morning checks. many people will not drive home post drinking, that message for the most part seems to have got through, but awareness that you could still be over the limit the following morning obviously hasn't.
On 4 Jan 2015 at 5:15pm TA wrote:
Having had a career of attending RTC's ( road traffic collisions) I am very happy that the police are stopping and checking drivers. May I suggest the simple advice is to purchase and use a breath testing kit £60 to £100 to use the following morning.
Let's hope the police carry on all year and not just Xmas period.
U drink and drive u deserve to get caught.
On 4 Jan 2015 at 5:26pm the kronic wrote:
Quite happy for the old bill to pull me over every trip I take if it means reducing this c**p on the roads.
Only the guilty have something to hide.
On 4 Nov 2016 at 10:08am Samara wrote:
It doesn't matter, rules and rules and they exist to prevent people doing reckless stupid things, regardless of whether or not you feel absolutely fine it is unacceptable to drive with too much alcohol in your blood whether you feel it in your head or not.
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