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Martin Winter

On 9 Jun 2008 at 4:02pm Big fella wrote:
Oh dear, this year just gets worse for him...first he's charged with assulting a policeman and resisting arrest and now he's been charged with manslaughter over the fireworks explosion
On 9 Jun 2008 at 6:45pm Chav wrote:
And then he finds out his daughter is getting seen to by a black man?
On 9 Jun 2008 at 8:35pm exp jose wrote:
your ex?
On 9 Jun 2008 at 10:46pm confused?? wrote:
Does anyone know why he has been charged with manslaughter? I know that he owned the factory but he played no hand in how the fire was dealt with or can be made responsible for the deaths of 2 people.
On 9 Jun 2008 at 11:04pm Lord Landport wrote:
Confused He could be held responsible maybe beause he didnt run things correctly ie more fireworks than he was allowed wrong type etc .(only a guess on my part)
Before anybody thinks i'm having a go at him i'm not
but the way the courts look on it it's no how the fire was dealt with?
The full details will flow shortly with all the reasons why this tragedy happened only then can we judge this man.
Corporate manslaughter is not the thing i'd wanna be up for??
On 10 Jun 2008 at 8:48am Lord Landport wrote:
Sorry above post should read Not how the fire was dealt with but why it started.....
On 10 Jun 2008 at 9:41am GUY FAWKES wrote:
this is what hes been charged with
A Sussex Police spokesman said: "The company, now known as Alpha Fireworks Ltd, has been summonsed for breaches of the manufacture and storage of Explosive Regulations 2005."
On 10 Jun 2008 at 7:13pm eric wrote:
break the law PAY at your lesure
On 10 Jun 2008 at 8:56pm ernie wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty, eric, that's what our justice system is based on.
I'm sure a fair trial will put a stop to all the rumours once and for all.
On 10 Jun 2008 at 9:16pm Mr Tumble wrote:
Why isn't the Fire Chief being prosecuted for sending them in there? Would you go into an exploding building if you hadn't been given the order?
On 10 Jun 2008 at 11:01pm The Super K wrote:
Well Said Tumbles, They didn't even know where the local Fire hydrant was, It was GROSS negligence that caused the tragic death of those men, and so far the man responsible hasn't even been looked at!
On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:33am Firework Fred wrote:
All will come out at the trial for certain but why blame the fire chief he sent his men into a site that had a certain type and quantity of fireworks. by the charges given by sussex police this was different from what they actually had on the site. remember also festival fireworks have been charged before for breaches to this but on this occasion people died. i think the correct people have been charged.
On 11 Jun 2008 at 1:44pm INRS wrote:
And the police have based their charges on what...??? What evidence is there of any breaches, and even if that is the case, how is it connected to the exploding domestic gas bottles which were the cause of the accident ? Not only did the fire brigade not know where the hydrant was, but they apparantly turned up not even knowing there were fireworks on the premises... I have got every sympathy for those firemen concerned and their families, but to make scapegoats out of people who have already lost everything, and who are now an easy target in the eyes of the law and the public (as you can see by some of the remarks made on this forum), is unforgivable. As for Firework Fred, what has allegedly happened in the past is irrelevant to this incident and is not an automatic sign of guilt.
On 11 Jun 2008 at 1:47pm Double Yellow Line wrote:
You are trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.
On 11 Jun 2008 at 3:05pm me wrote:
"apparantly turned up not even knowing there were fireworks on the premises". i find this very hard to believe.
On 11 Jun 2008 at 5:23pm firework fred wrote:
INRS What I was trying to say is that so much gossip and not enough true facts are going around about this. you may know certainly more than me about what happened but they have been charged for a breach now twice. you can't argue the facts on that. The firebrigade may not have known exactly where the hydrant is in relation to the farm are they suposed to be able to find everyone in sussex within second's. they may not have been told it was at festival fireworks just marlie farm when the calls came flooding in but within mins I bet they had realised where they was going. and that fireworks was involved.
the firebrigade do what they do with split second desicions
maybe it was wrong who knows
but i dont think anybody has said for certain it was the gas bottle that killed the firemen.

soon when this goes to trial we will hear all the facts both sides and let the courts decide who's to blame.
Martin and his family have indeed lost everthing so have the dead firefighters family. but to call them scapegoats i dont think that's exactly right.

On 11 Jun 2008 at 7:04pm The Super K wrote:
DYL & Me, you wouldn't believe how incompetent (easier to say than spell!) the Fire Chief was. There was alot more to it than just not knowing where the hydrant was. I look forward to see what happens in court.
On 12 Jun 2008 at 6:13am expat two wrote:
Soon, when this all goes to trial, we will hear all the facts both sides and let the courts decide in favour of whoever can afford the best lawyer.
On 12 Jun 2008 at 9:27am Bob wrote:
We should not continue to speculate on what happened, how and who was responsible. The courts will decide on the facts.
It is assumed that the CPS have sufficient evidence where they feel that there is a likelihood of a conviction or it is in the public interest, otherwise they would not be bringing the case. In addition to answer Lord Landport email the case will not be brought under corporate manslaughter legislation becasue this legislation only became law in April 2008 and is not retrospective.
I have every sympothy for the families of the fire fighters who tragically lost thier lives but I am sure that there was no intention on anyones part to injure anyone, however, if it is revealed during the case that Mr Winter or others, including the emergency services, were recklesly neglegent I am sure appropriate action will be taken
On 12 Jun 2008 at 10:30am The Tooth Fairy wrote:
A court of law is the last place you will hear any 'facts'. What you will hear is the crown doing their best to put the blame for this tragic event squarely on the shoulders of someone else. It all comes down to money. If they can get a conviction then any compensation will be down to Martin and his insurers, leaving the fire service blame free and thus free to sue his backside off.
On 13 Jun 2008 at 6:12pm confused?? wrote:
Its like saying that if someone comes onto your property and has an accident that you are to blame because you own the property. This is the No Win No Fee situation that this country is in where we can all put responsibility onto someone and make them pay even if the person hasnt actually commited a crime.
On 13 Jun 2008 at 7:23pm Chav wrote:
I hope he don't get put away. Where else am I going to buy my parking machine glitter bombs?
On 13 Jun 2008 at 11:22pm lopster wrote:
good man chav, keep up the good work
On 17 Jul 2008 at 5:35pm The Truth wrote:
The call was to a fireworks factory. The hydrant location was known but the supply was very poor. The lies that were told on that tragic day are from the same place as the lies that you tell INRS and super k.
On 15 Oct 2008 at 10:16am Fed Up wrote:
All you speculators know nothing!!This is a fit up of the highest proportions,no way on this planet should any firemen have been anywhere near that fire.It is a well known fact that firefighters should not put themselves at any risk if they are sure there is no one else,s life in danger!!!!!That was made quite clear when they arrived on the scene!!Those that died did so needlessly,a grave error on the part of the firefighters.Why was one taking pictures of all things??This family have been to hell and back and are still going through pergatory for something that wasnt any fault of theirs,they will never be able to forget this terrible ordeal.I have every sympathy for the deaths of the firemen involved but their death,s could have been avoided.Says a lot about how the whole situation was handled dont you think?
Just also wanted to say to CHAV,you need your mouth washing out with acid,how dare you!!!!!!!!!

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