On 3 Jul 2017 at 9:34pm ms_twix wrote:
Maria was interviewed by the dreadful Sarah Gorrel on BBC sussex radio this evening, did anyone hear it? Talking about backing NHS pay rises. I dislike the Tories, will never vote for them, and was fed up when she won lical elections as i voted for the Greens, but despite this I have to say I thought she came across very well this evening.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 10:13pm Cynic wrote:
Of course she came across very well. It's what mp's do. But when it comes to actually doing anything it's a different story. She can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 10:40pm Newms wrote:
As I said ....Maria Caulfield , voted against lifting the pay cap, she tried to disguise this with waffle about Parliamentary tactics, tweeting that “Lifting the cap is already on the agenda for the budget” And “Important we don't just lift the cap but give a meaningful pay rise .."
Sounds like a promise to lift the pay cap and throw cash at nurses doesn`t it? In fact it means sweet FA and should anyone doubt it Ms May has now clarified
……pay rates for the professions for the current financial year have already been set at a below inflation capped level…..
It was then that she off she popped to whine on Radio , …..: "It's a difficult, stressful, responsible job and if people aren't paid enough so they can make ends meet they will go and do something else” she blubbed.
That is is a pantomime .The pay cap is in the manifesto on which she campaigned ,it is Conservative Party Policy , …
Only one nurse got a stellar payrise, Maria Slippery two face say one thing vote another Caulfield . racist dog whistle Blue kip po faced bores for England Caulfield
Ifd she made the argument for living within our means I would respect her but she would rather treat people like morons .
On 3 Jul 2017 at 11:18pm Clifford wrote:
Newms, I'm sure when you were a Tory you were coming out with exactly the same nonsense.
On 3 Jul 2017 at 11:59pm King of Sussex wrote:
"I would respect her but she would rather treat people like morons . "
I don't really see why she shouldn't treat people like morons, her seat in Westminster is all the evidence you need that the majority of Lewes voters are.
On 4 Jul 2017 at 6:04am Newms wrote:
Clifford that is just not true .My own view is that there is only a small scope for loosening of the purse strings and that is only because we can borrow so cheaply. In Fact Liberal and Conservative Policy have a different emphasis but both are more or less plausibly costed .
Corbyn is way out there in fairy tale land but whatever view you may take , you cannot get power on the basis Corbyn is making impossible claims and then pretend you campaigned of Public sector pay rises
Had we not stupidly voted to make ourselves poor this would be a much easier circle to square but the country was obliged to borrow a great deal more to hide the cost of Brexit.
Caulfied also voted for that stupid act of dim witted bigotry and having made her UKIP bed she is going to lie on it and not lie her way out of it
On 4 Jul 2017 at 6:27am Newms wrote:
Excuse me me but can I just make the point that this is not the first of Maris`s lies . She also sided with headteachers against education cuts whilst not only voting for them but also pretending funding was at record levels ( a lie that collapsed when the true per pupil cuts were publicised )
That is her MO
Say one thing here , vote another up there and hope no-one notices , if she is caught out she tries to hide it with bluster
That is exactly what this radio interview is , she does this all the time she is a shameless politician .
On 4 Jul 2017 at 9:13am endoftheouse wrote:
Am I the only one who clicks on the thumbs down before even reading Newms Blah Blah Blah?
On 4 Jul 2017 at 9:35am Me too wrote:
Yeah me too. Partisan politics is about as pointless as a broken pencil. I do the same with the anti tory loon...again no point engaging with these people. Brainwashed muppets.
On 4 Jul 2017 at 12:55pm Mark wrote:
But Paul, my question is why did she do it? It seems utterly irrational to me. She could have quietly voted with her party and then carried on playing the I'm a sweet ex- nurse card around Lewes. Nobody but a few (hem...) local anoraks would have noticed the hypocrisy. Instead she's suddenly on national TV defying party policy at a time when the Tories are running scared.
On 4 Jul 2017 at 2:37pm Newms wrote:
..because she had already said that the nurses were going to get a decent pay rise and this was on the agenda for the budget as her excuse for voting against the Labour amendment. When this turned out to be meaningless/ a lie she went off on a blustering campaign to cover it up.
The plain fact is that she campaigned on a manifesto that had the cap in it which was why she had to vote against an amendment removing, it and why that is precisely what is going to happen .
To be honest with you I do not, myself think Nurses are so under paid that given the dire and worsening state of public finances( see Brexit also her stupid fault ) it should be a priority , I daresay you think differently
I only say that Caulfield should stop lying
On 4 Jul 2017 at 4:23pm Jeremy 'unt wrote:
Accepting the decision of the government to follow the recommendations of the pay review body and to proclaim that this means that nurses have had their pay settled for 2017 is NOT campaigning for a better deal for nurses. It's accepting the Tory Party hard line on public sector pay. She said she wanted a better deal for nurses, but has now changed her mind.
On 4 Jul 2017 at 6:18pm Mark wrote:
We've had the discussion about nurses' wages ad nauseum obviously. My point on that is to do with how much public money is wasted by creating a wildly-distorted market for nursing skills. I tried to convince an agency nurse last year to come and work on my unit. She eventually admitted to me that she had earned £80k in the previous year by doing five night shifts each week. Probably spending most of them napping in a chair while the punters were asleep. Perhaps I'll go that way myself one day. Must be nice.
On 5 Jul 2017 at 8:03am bobobob wrote:
@Mark, not many nurses earn £80k. The ones that do work contract roles for organisations that haven't figured out how to staff efficiently. Basic nurses pay is £20-£30k.
If we paid a bit more, or gave better terms in general, we could make nursing more appealing have enough nurses to not need to fill the gaps with £80k per year contractors.
Funding services like health and education properly (not giving below inflation pay and cutting training grants) we can create a more efficient organistaion that won't need to overpay contractors, will reduce immigration as it reduces the skills shortage and reduce the benefits bill as it will reduce unemployment.
A better NHS would provide a more healthy workforce which is important for the economy too.