On 29 Nov 2012 at 9:39pm Jonny wrote:
My old auntie (on my mothers side) reckoned it was all here and now.
Heaven, Hell, just states we can exist in depending on whats going on around us and what we do to contribute to it.
Simplistically put, you hurt people, you take lots of drugs, you steal things, you can expect life to be pretty miserable all round.
You do good things, like, work with the homeless, damaged, dying, volunteer, live a simple life, help others, care for strangers, life might be a bit kinder to you.
I've tried a bit of both sides in my 44 years so far, and now I have children too and that helps. I think Auntie may be right. I'm certainly not banking on another level after this one. A one shot deal.
Religion is the opium of the masses because it sells us the biggie, the big lie that this is all just a precursor to the next level.
Its mind control on a massive scale.
When religion can be manipulated by humans to allow grown adults to justify killing each other, it's definitely time to stop and take another look.
Israel/Palestine.
911 (whoever you think was responsible)
Afghani suicide bombers (substitute for Iraq/Syria/Yemen etc etc)
And that's just recent history.
Killing in the name of God.
Once you've done that, you can justify anything.
On 30 Nov 2012 at 12:46am Dave wrote:
true dat!
On 30 Nov 2012 at 10:03am Depressed Mum wrote:
Very well put Jonny. Thanks to some other uplifting comments on another thread, I am going to try and make the best of this life....as we only get one shot at it. I'm going to start by being kinder to others... as of today!
On 30 Nov 2012 at 10:30am Pete wrote:
Yep, you got it just about right Jonny. As I said in the other thread, everyone should aim to make someone smile each and every day, a little bit of kindness and courtesy goes a long, long way...
On 30 Nov 2012 at 1:45pm Deelite wrote:
If you're not careful you'll have to change you forum name Depressed Mum!
On 1 Dec 2012 at 3:22am Pilgrim wrote:
Jesus definitely intended you to have a life before death, as well as after. Perhaps counter-intuitively, the more you live your life here for others, indeed the closer to Jeses's teachings (and he'd like what you say, Jonny) the better your own experience will be. So, coming from a rather different belief system, still pretty much exactly the same conclusion! If you want to experience living with a group of committed and like-minded people, try a visit to King's or Southover or Eastgate one Sunday. We are not meant to do it on our own.
I don't think there is any evidence people need religion to persuade others to launch mass killing sprees. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot - none of them big on God.
On 1 Dec 2012 at 7:08am Pope wrote:
Who the hell is Jesus? He certainly was not around when I needed him. And it's no good saying he works in mysterious ways. What a cop out.
On 1 Dec 2012 at 7:39am grafter wrote:
The good thing about admitting to being a christian nowadays is it is counter cultural. The mainstream think we are either deluded idiots or evil warmongers. In my experience the people you meet at church tend to be less angry and self righteous than average.(Ok, there are exceptions!)
Might it be that thinking yourself your god ismore likely to encourage killing sprees?
On 1 Dec 2012 at 10:00am Pope wrote:
Grafter you say people you meet in church are less angry its like saying people you meet in library's are quieter. It's the surroundings you are in at the time that influences your behaviour.
On 3 Dec 2012 at 2:08am Pilgrim wrote:
But of course you don't just meet the people you meet in church in church, do you? You meet them at work, you meet them in Tesco, you meet them in the pub, and you meet them in each other's houses too. You meet them especially when they are in trouble. And whether you are a Christian or not, you are certainly not guaranteed an easy life here - exactly the opposite if you read the bible. Sorry you felt Jesus was not there for you when you needed him, Pope.