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Lib Dems Fibs??

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On 20 Apr 2017 at 10:06pm sallyat20 wrote:
I usually vote Labour but think because this is such a majorinal seat that I would vote Lib Deb. Just had a LD leaflet through the door and I feel uncomfortable with voting for them now. They are saying stuff that is basically, how shall I put it politely, well, basically lying. eg They have campainged to extend the cycle track Lewes to Glynde. I cycled this yesterday and it stops at Ringmer, had to cycle to Firle with cars speeding past my ears. Where is this cycle track. Anyone know, anyone in the Lib Dems? They are saying that they have campaigned for safety for cyclists in the Cliffe area, er, what exactly. Another fat fib. And what about safety for pedestrians? And they say they have campaigned for a play street in Cliffe, which street? There isn't a play street in Cliffe, I know becasue I was at the residents meeting last night. Have they got their areas mixed up? Another fat fib. What worries me about these people is they can only lie and not produce any evidence of doing anything to improve the town. Of dear, do I vote for the fibbers?
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On 20 Apr 2017 at 10:08pm Costa Nerobuck wrote:
Wake me up when you've stopped ranting.
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On 20 Apr 2017 at 10:12pm Voter wrote:
They might have campaigned for all these things. They've failed to deliver any of them. Whereas Maria Cauliflower has (personally) resolved the rail dispute, saved the Victoria Hospital and generally brought about world peace.
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On 20 Apr 2017 at 10:37pm Newms wrote:
The Conservative Party caused the rail dispute and have endangered every hospital by choosing a poor future and Maria Caulfield does not know enough to sit the right way round on a toilet seat anyway
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On 20 Apr 2017 at 10:40pm Frak wrote:
Sallyat20 - the cycle path runs from lewes to Glynde and beyond, but exits lewes the other way past the snowdrop and then along the A27. All very well signposted - route 90 I think it is. So no fibs there.
On your other note, I'd say if you don't want a tory here, then vote lib dem...
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On 20 Apr 2017 at 11:32pm A response to Sally wrote:
@Sallyat20 - I was at the Cliffe residents' meeting too. There are plenty of residents (many not Lib Dems) trying very hard and persistently to do something about safety for cyclists and pedestrians in Cliffe, but largely in vain because of the poor signage and confusing arrangements in Cliffe High St and the Council's repeated assertion that they can't do anything about it. As @Voter says, campaigning is one thing and succeeding is, sadly, another. There isn't a play street in Cliffe, which is why some campaigners want one, I think at the far end of South St or in Morris Rd; that was explained in detail at the residents' meeting.
The cycle lane to Glynde is via Southerham, as @Frak says.
All these issues are being addressed as best they can by local residents, Cycle Lewes, etc, including individuals of all political colours; if the Lib Dems or any other party press for these things too, good; if the things that we want done in Cliffe haven't been achieved yet, that doesn't make the Lib Dems liars. (And no, I'm not a Lib Dem)
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 5:48am Bob wrote:
Absolutely. It says they are campaigning for them, not they have achieved them yet. I'm getting most of my local political messages via Twitter at the moment. It's fascinating. Labour are yet to mention a local issue or the NHS or Brexit since the election was announced as far as I can see and seem obsessed with Lynton Crosby. Lib Dems being positive and proactive though and focusing on their own message and not other parties. It's a stark contrast. I thought I'd never vote Lib Dem after the tuition fee debacle but I'm going back to them to beat the Tory.
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 9:16am Clifford wrote:
Frak wrote: 'I'd say if you don't want a tory here, then vote lib dem...'

2010, people voted Lib Dem to keep the Tory out and ended up with a Tory government propped up by the Lib Dems. Even Baker, who I've got a lot of time for, became a minister. People won't make that mistake again.
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 9:20am Fairmeadow wrote:
The issue in Lewes is straightforward, if uncomfortable for a usual-Labour voter like me. If you want to crawl back to the Eurocrats, ask to rejoin their club and pay whatever penalty they demand, vote for the LibDem. If you want to leave the EU vote for Maria Caulfield, who in my personal opinion has proved better than expected as an MP (opinion based on her largely unsung support for countryside protection and her undoubted support for the NHS). Labour has, sadly, left the field for an indefinite period. Can't personally see how the Greens differ from the LibDems. Can't see many people having any reason to vote either Green or UKIP in this constituency, or even why either party would bother to stand - by doing so they would just divide the vote for the causes they support.
 
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 9:47am The Greek wrote:
@Fairmeadow The Greens are a world apart from the Lib Dems! They are socialist for one. Lib Dems don't really define themselves and have proven themselves to be Tories without the kicking boots. We are free to cancel Article 50 EU whenever with no penality. Rather leaving would incur huge financial cost.
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 10:07am sallyat20 wrote:
Going back to to my original post, the LD leaflet says that they have worked to extend the cycle path from Lewes through Ringmer to Glynde. There is no extension. I'm not talking about the cycle track along the busy A27. They may not be fibbers exactly but they don't quite get their facts right before putting them in print, which is a shame. And friends seem to think they would get us out of Brexit but they have announced that they won't be doing this but going for a soft brexit, whatever that may mean. Can't trust a word they say now. So it's no for me for the LD, mm who shall I consider next?
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 1:54pm Frak wrote:
Clifford - I was annoyed the LD went in with the Tories, but I'd rather that than just Tories on their own. If the last 2 years are anything to go by, then they must have moderated the Tory wishes a hell of a lot.
Personally I think it more of a mistake to bear that grudge...
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 3:52pm a voter wrote:
Clifford, since the tories are going to win a big majority (despite May et al starting to say they could lose) I think I would rather have an MP like Norman who made waves, got some things done rather than Maria who does not get anything done, never votes against the government and nods a lot.
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 3:53pm A response to Sally wrote:
What I'd understood from the Lib Dem leaflet reference to the cycle path is that they (among many others) support joined-up cycle routes so that a cyclist can go in reasonable safety from Ringmer to Lewes and on down (through South St and Southerham) to join the A27 cycle path to Glynde and Firle. But it's not clear, true, and I'm sorry to hear that you were misled into going the other way round!
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On 21 Apr 2017 at 7:21pm Peasant wrote:
Actually the local Greens (not the LibDems) have been pushing the idea of joining the Lewes-Ringmer cycle path to the Lewes-Firle cycle path, roughly along the line of the Paygate-Glynde road. Worth asking, but the supposedly Green landowner not interested.


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