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On 9 Aug 2011 at 2:47pm kevsy wrote:
Lewes FC's next home fixture, should stand a fairly good chance given all the overtime the oppo would have been putting in.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 3:04pm duck for cover wrote:
dont forget they will shoot on sight
On 9 Aug 2011 at 4:21pm Clifford wrote:
... and lie about it too. Don't forget that.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 4:29pm Mrs Malling wrote:
Lay off the police. How many of you lot would put yourselves in the situations there are dealing with in London at the moment?? Very few I would imagine.
I have no sympathy for the man that was shot. He was carrying a firearm..end of.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 5:24pm kevsy wrote:
What's the betting the Met Police manager is trying to arrange a secret dinner with the editor of the Lewes News, while all the players sit around watching and doing nothing. Should be a walk over.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 5:55pm Clifford wrote:
Two shots were fired in Tottenham, Mrs Malling. Both by the police.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:06pm Decent Citizen wrote:
Clifford are you some kind of idiot? People of your ilk are the cause in many cases of unlawfulness. The moron element in our society do not need much encouragement, please do not add to it.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:12pm Decent Citizen wrote:
WEBBO, I am relying on you to pass on to police anyone trying to incite trouble in our lovely Lewes. You have the resources,you can see where the messages come from,please use your ability to stop these morons before it gets out of hand.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:26pm Kevsy wrote:
DC - stop being an idiot yourself, would you include the IPCC as 'people of your ilk', as they too appear to be concerned at events in Tottenham. You need to develop a sense of perspective. A effective, well run police force, adequately resourced and free of corruption will serve everyone much better than the one we currently enjoy.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:32pm Decent Citizen wrote:
The police do the best they can in the circumstances. They only do as they are allowed to, their hands are tied. Anyway, my point was,that this forum needs to be watched ,as the moron element do not need much encouragement from the morons who visit this sight!!
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:38pm Kevsy wrote:
not sure this discussion is getting us anywhere. Your blind faith is admirable
On 9 Aug 2011 at 6:50pm Old lag wrote:
Ok kevsy let's see you do the job of a police officer!
On 9 Aug 2011 at 7:15pm kevsy wrote:
why would you like to see that? I'm not trained to be one, I am however entitled to an opinion and am allowed to voice it. I want a better police force with less corruption and mistakes - why does that get on your nerves?
On 9 Aug 2011 at 8:04pm DFL wrote:
Whoa guys, enough trouble up in "town" without us bickering - let's keep it in the family, well, I know I'm a DFL, but my loyalties are with the Lewes community.
On 9 Aug 2011 at 10:23pm Clifford wrote:
Decent Citizen wrote: Clifford are you some kind of idiot?
Trying to ignore the fact that the police lied about the Tottenham shooting, lied about the death of Tomlinson and lied about the Stockwell shooting is a sign of idiocy. It doesn't help the police to ignore these things as they have to remember they are our servants, not our masters.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 7:33am Local wrote:
At what point did the police lie? A drug dealer and convicted sex offender was to be arrested in a planned operation at which time one of the officers involved feared for his life as the bloke had a firearm with one in the chamber. At no point did they say he fired back at them and he died of a single gun shot to the chest so what is your problem? You are the type of bloke who slates the police all day long but if that bloke had been left to go and kill someone you would be saying the police are useless and never do anything. The officer made a split second decision in a situation you or I have never been in. 'the police are our servants' - what has that got to do with them shooting a dangerous criminal ? At no point have they lied, good riddance to the lowlife wannabe gangster.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 8:33am DFL wrote:
Local has an interesting point. However, the IPCC gave a very interesting and I think unbiased initial report of the incident on BBC News Channel last night. I have, unfortunately, been in similar armed situations (NI), and I can assure you it's extremely difficult to make a judgement. And for the record, the chap was shot twice (chest and arm - IPCC confirmed this). As for the Police being servants, I would say that that was a bit demeaning, I'd like to think that they're our helpers, and try to protect us as an when they can. There is no excuse whatsoever for the violence and rioting going on at the moment, but, we (i.e. the government) do need to establish what the underlying cause(s) is/are. I like the attitutde of a news agent chap, based in Southall, on the Beeb news this morning, saying that a great community spirit had bonded in the area to stop these senseless acts occurring - we all need to take a leaf out of his, and his community's, book. It's good to talk ?
On 10 Aug 2011 at 9:44am Clifford wrote:
Local - Every report immediately after the incident said there had been 'an exchange of fire'. That information could only have come from the police. I notice that you have not responded to the fact that the police lied after the Stockwell shooting and after Tomlinson's death. It is not good for the police to believe they are above the law and that they can't avoid any punishment for their wrongdoing by simply lying.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 10:05am Local wrote:
If you choose to believe numerous reports from the press about what happens that is up to you. At NO POINT did the met state shots were exchanged. That was pure speculation by the press in this country.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 10:21am giveitarest wrote:
Clifford. For my sins, I follow a football team whose fans had a reputation for disorder. I'll be charitable and avoid call the policing I've witnessed first hand 'violent'. I'll just say it's 'physically assertive'. Now, this is a non-issue as far as Joe Public and the media are concerned because no-one bats an eyelid at the thought of police injuring football fans, as they appear to be considered to 'deserve it'.

Now, what happened after the first night of rioting - at Clapham and Croydon etc - is that the police were afraid to be assertive - specifically because of Tomlinson et al. The way they police 'community disorder' is entirely different to the way they police football. Now, the communities and shopkeepers are complaining that the police were nowhere near tough enough. The police have an impossible job; they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I am not so naive as to believe that the police can do their job without making mistakes. You, Clifford, appear to live in a bizarre liberal wonderland where you expect the police to be able to do their job and be respected whilst never making a mistake or hurting anyone. When someone burns your house down and the police don't act to stop it, you'll see things very differently.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 10:21am DFL wrote:
Yep, I can vouch for Local, the IPCC said that only the police fired at the Tottenham incident - a full report is to be published shortly.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 10:24am DFL wrote:
BTW, this started as a football forum, shouldn't we start a fresh forum if the topic is to be continued ?
On 10 Aug 2011 at 12:31pm padster wrote:
dammed if you do , dammed if you dont........I think is a good analysis for the police at present, they have my support.
Come on the rooks
On 10 Aug 2011 at 1:48pm Rookie wrote:
The Met Police team is in name only. I think the time when it was a serving officers team is decades past although their stadium and sports complex, which is very nice, is still owned by the Met for the Met.
On 10 Aug 2011 at 2:11pm account wrote:
more unnecessary perks for the boys in blue
On 10 Aug 2011 at 6:25pm Clifford wrote:
Local wrote: 'If you choose to believe numerous reports from the press about what happens that is up to you.'

So where do you get your information from Local? And you still haven't addressed the police lies about Stockwell and about Tomlinson.

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