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Lewes: Best and worse

On 29 May 2007 at 3:03pm A respectable tax payer wrote:
Best: It's history, castle, Grange, surrounding countryside, normal decent working class people brought up in the town,
Worse: Bible bashing, sandal wearing, incense burning, middle class inbred wallies with the IQ of a spanner and huge 4x4s with those ridiculous bull bars.
Worse: Chavs who slouch along wearing hideous hoodies and bling.
Worse: A particularly ugly MP...
Aaahhh.... I feel so much better now.....
On 29 May 2007 at 3:18pm Janet Street Preacher wrote:
You'll be in Cliffe Bonfire Society then
On 29 May 2007 at 3:19pm K wrote:
Best: The friendliness and countryside around it
Worst: The lential weaving mafia, led by the ugly MP, who seem determined to make everyone in the town live a dull, funless existence like them
On 29 May 2007 at 3:48pm A respectable tax payer wrote:
I'm a atheist and proud of it....there is NO GOD!!! We are here on this planet on our own....no fairies, no angels, no spirits, nothing but plants and animals....why is this not enough for people....?
On 29 May 2007 at 4:19pm ExiledfromLewes wrote:
Worst thing about Lewes is Prats like you who have absoloutly nothing better to do with their time but moan, moan, moan.
my family also from Lewes several generations, but got nothing against the middle class folks who came to settle in the seventies.
To propagate a working class/middle class divide in the town is inane, inacurate and just stupid. My grandad despite a brief sojourn in the 1940's worked from the age of 15 to 65 and was most definately was working class. I am middle class because I was afforded the opportunity to go to University and get a degree. i don't see myself as a snob and I also don't wear sandals or have a beard for that matter.
Actually what I hate is all the people in London from Sussex, Kent, Surrey etc who earn 60k a year and have a Uni degree stating that they are good honest working class people on the basis that they have a West Ham season ticket. They also moan about the PC, sandal wearing middle class liberals usually after they've been told that they can't make offensive chants during football matches.
Your points are tiresome the majority of people who now refer to themselves as working class (not all) only do so to form what they percieve to be a positive identity. Not because they are actually cloth cap wearing, working class folks who were sent to the factory at the age of 15. The term middle class has also pretty much become redundant, the middles classes are over bloated and have a serious identity crisis.
This is mainly down to the fact that unlike my parents generation who were grammer school educated and happy to assume the title middle class after completing their degree, the vast number of kids who go to University now rather to percieve themselves as working class than to accept the change in their social background.
The only factors dividing the have and have nots is money and education, not some archaic class system. Fortunatly the schools in Lewes are very good so the opportunites for people in Lewes are excellent.
Please though can people stop all this middle class, working class nonsense. Lumping and demonising specific groups of people is boring. As you fail to recognise that they to might also come from more humble stock.
Otherwise I also like the castle and grange and dislike bull bars.
Rant Over
On 29 May 2007 at 5:36pm Andy wrote:
Well that told you didn't it !!!!!!!!!! LMAO
On 29 May 2007 at 5:59pm ExiledfromLewes wrote:
That did tell him, thank you very much, (glad you found it amusing, thought you of all people might). To many deluded people around, the ability to have a sensible discussion almost impossible. It's now fasionable to have the IQ of a root vegetable and spout rubbish. Sadly I bet you agreed with his original post about the town being full of PC, middle class, leftie twonks as well.
On 29 May 2007 at 8:38pm Northern Bigot wrote:
The best, what the towns on the map for bonfire!
The worst a very old mother who will go through incontinence at the same time as her child! A certain author with a German surname who complains about bonfire, then tries to make a few quid by writing a book about it!
More important in my lifetime, what has happened to the UK,England, Sussex and Lewes, the crisis of confidence, the reluctance to air views however controversial in the land of free speech. We dont speak as one nation anymore, its all infighting and point scoring! We have no national independence, 75% of the decisions which affect us day to day are now taken in Brussels. Were allowed to be patriotic when England play football and thats it!
On 29 May 2007 at 9:43pm ExiledfromLewes wrote:
I hate people who stir rubbish about Bonfire too, a lot of people in London have not of the place (however a few who do seem to have been told some mistruths). One of my first job interviews in London the employee enquired whether I would have any problem working with Catholic workers. one of my friends was also asked in an interview whether he condoned the burning of the Pope. And finally when I was at Uni a good few years back a lecturer told me they thought Lewes was full of racists after telling them I was a member of a Lewes Bonfire society.
While these are isolated events they can hapen if you meet people who have heard of Lewes. Also I don't know about your german bloke, but we shouldn't be surprised when people write negative articles about Lewes and Lewesians. Such as my favourite anti bonfire nutter Justin Champion

The flames of hate

Guy Fawkes' night isn't harmless fun: it's a celebration of torture and religious persecution
Justin Champion
Friday November 4, 2005
The Guardian

Without diminishing the suffering of the victims of the July bombings, it's possible to speculate what inappropriate forms public commemoration of 7/7 might take. Given the British predilection for bonfires, one can imagine the burning of effigies of the bombers, identified by backpacks, or perhaps more stereotypical bearded Islamists.
Such commemorative displays would draw a line between one part of the community and the stigmatised minority. Thankfully, given the attempts to build bridges, we might have a reasonable optimism that no such 7/7 bonfires will be kindled. However, since 1605 bonfires have been a persistent feature of our culture every November 5. Despite the popular view that bonfire night is a harmless, festive occasion, it is in fact a despicable relic of a culture that commended, in the name of Christian duty, the persecution of religious minorities, the burning of witches and the ritual desecration of suicides. A supposed celebration of the immolation of an individual became a political device exploited by successive governments in the name of national security.
The tenacity of the ritual in the 21st century is to many (even today) a residual act of anti-Catholic hatred that reveals the Protestant foundations of modern political culture in the UK. Protestant communities in Northern Ireland have reinvented historical memory with the marching season and the communal activities that recall the defiance of the Apprentice Boys at the siege of Derry. Few among the broader public on the "mainland" would acknowledge that, from the perspective of the Roman Catholic minority in England, bonfire night may have had as much oppressive force as the semi-militaristic Orange marching bands; we might be invited to remember, remember - but, it seems, not too much.
Guy Fawkes' night is a celebration of torture and execution. It might also be remembered that Roman Catholic communities, both in Ireland and the mainland, have borne the brunt of paramilitary and judicial punishment. By placing the memory of such atrocity at the forefront of our mind's eye, it may be possible to recognise that Fawkes' end is a strange act to remember. In our pluralist age we are encouraged to exercise tolerance to other faiths; there are, however, moments when the bare bones of earlier ages puncture the fabric of modernity.
Bonfire night is to many a prompt to memories of persecution, punishment and martyrdom. As good citizens merrily set fire to effigies of Fawkes, they might usefully pause to consider the suffering that Catholic communities in England, Scotland and Ireland experienced over the past four centuries. English Protestant society was until fairly recently a persecuting culture. In the name of defending Protestant liberties, the freedoms of Catholic minorities were sacrificed. Sound familiar? Just substitute "democratic" for "Protestant" and "Muslim" for "Catholic".
Recently, watching footage of the bonfire societies in Lewes - masked figures marching in procession, carrying burning crosses - a black colleague remarked how uncomfortable it made him feel; this was the Ku Klux Klan in Sussex. It's a difficult point, but one that every minority ought to ask itself: how long does it take before such rituals are safely emptied of their significance?
Some claim 400 years is long enough for the brutal meaning of bonfire night to become a harmless bit of fun; but will the burning crosses ever lose their cultural virulence? It's difficult to imagine a world in which so much pain and injustice could be forgotten.
Justin Champion is professor of early modern ideas at Royal Holloway, University of London
Pissed me off no end drawing a link between the Lewes Martyrs
and the London suicide bombers. Also comparing Bonfire boys to members of the Ku Klux Klan
Perhaps it's my fault for becoming a liberal and reading the Guardian, I don't know.
On 29 May 2007 at 11:10pm Northern Bigot wrote:
If hes a Professor, what are the lecturers like? I know his type, He could spend hours discussing metaphysics, hopeless at putting up a book shelf, mending a fuse, changing a tyre or light bulb! You couldnt sum Lewes up better than the regulars at the Lewes Arms who forced the mighty brewer Greene King to climb down and re instate the local brew! This is what makes Lewes different and gives me hope the town wont go down the pan like so much of the rest of the UK!
On 30 May 2007 at 8:57am A respectable tax payer wrote:
Can you people not spot irony when you read it???? Get a sense of humour
On 30 May 2007 at 9:52am A lettuce wrote:
I bet your a barrel of laughs at parties....
On 30 May 2007 at 12:03pm Mystic Mog wrote:
There are spirits - vodka and rum to name a couple.
Exiled is quite right - I think that Tax payer has post posting irony, ie I will pretend that it was ironic as way of ending the discussion.
On 16 Jun 2007 at 11:23pm Dougal wrote:
Hey tax payer, plants and animals were quite enough for me thanks - but who made them? I know evolution is happening but God is definitely in control. No intellectual argument will convince anyone, I realise, but I've experienced enough of God to know He's there and He cares.
PS I don't own a 4 by 4 and I'm just as annoyed as you are by them! Please don't lump us all together.
On 21 Jun 2007 at 9:13pm St Johner wrote:
There may not be a God, but you try getting a plumber at weekends.

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