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On 14 Mar 2011 at 7:26pm King Crimson wrote:
Talking about swap, forget about Spotify.
Would anyone be interested in swapping music, in mp3 format or similar, with me?
As my nickname suggests, I 'm into prog rock, but I also love blues, jazz, country, and even folk music. Nowadays, it's so easy to swap music over the internet via email! Alternatively, if you are afraid of viruses, we can meet up in town and simply swap a couple of DVDs. I think this is perfectly legal. I did this with a guy in Landport and it has worked perfectly! We've become good friends! I have over 2000 albums... ranging from the Allman Brothers to Frank Zappa; George Adams to Zoot Simms; Luther Allison to Muddy Watyers! I also have 1000 lps, in case you are interested in buying, exchanging, or simply borrow them, in return for similar!
On 14 Mar 2011 at 7:28pm King Crimson wrote:
Muddy Watyers? I obviously meant Muddy Waters ... one of my favourite bluesman of all time !
On 14 Mar 2011 at 9:05pm MC wrote:
Do you realise that what you are openly advertising is illegal? There are a couple of holier-than-thou people on this forum who would roundly condemn you for thieving.

I am not one of them though. Have you not heard of FTP, Bittorrent, PirateBay, What.cd, Waffles, Pedros and all those private music sharing trackers then?
On 15 Mar 2011 at 2:36pm King Crimson wrote:
I've been swapping music with friends all my life. My only aim is to listen to new artists and exchange views. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing illegal with that, as long as money is not involved.
I am not advertising a service! This is not a business! I am looking for like-minded people who share a similar taste in music with whom to exchange music, preferably NOT via email. I never heard of those private sharing trackers. It's not my way to meet people and swap music. Thieving? Don't be silly! If you and I met up in town and swapped books or films instead of music would we be breaking the law? I doubt it! Any REAL blues or jazz fan out there ?
I hope you are not one of those stuck up lewesians who thinks that even sneezing too loudly is against the law!
On 15 Mar 2011 at 11:14pm MC wrote:
I made it clear I was not one of them (I'm not even from Lewes), but if you swap music *whilst keeping a copy of the original* it is piracy and illegal in exactly the same way that downloading music or movies from the internet is. It doesn't change anything that you don't think it is illegal, it is.
But as I said I don't give a toss.

Good luck anyway. If you find a decent modern prog band that isn't a tired imitation of any older bands, or Italian or Godspeed You! Black Emperor please let me know. I still haven't found any bands that get anywhere near Can, Van Der Graaf Generator, Caravan or early Gong.

My top tip is Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed by Show of Hands, which (if you have a BitTorrent client like uTorrent) can be downloaded in lossless format from the the link below.


BTW, the 2009 40th Anniversary 24/96khz remaster of In The Court Of The Crimson King sounds amazing.
On 16 Mar 2011 at 3:35pm King Crimson wrote:
On 16 Mar 2011 at 4:18pm Not from around here wrote:
People have always lent each other music that they have bought. Although as MC points out technically it is illegal to copy a friends music there is a distinction to be made (an important one) between friends copying each others material that has been bought and paid for by one of them and (puts self-righteous hat on) free-loaders who download tracks without ever paying for them and then pass them on to others which is wrong both legally and morally.
In my book you are at least morally justified to lend music you have bought but not to copy illegally obtained stuff. That's always been my take on this thorny issue.
On 16 Mar 2011 at 5:04pm MC wrote:
Morally justified but not legal. I doubt if there is a single person here who has not committed theft. We all break the law in our own ways.

My music bugbear is having to buy the same bit of music in expensive multiple formats just because one format wears out (cassette, LP etc) or I need one format for the car and one for the home.
After re-buying much of my scratched vinyl collection on CDs in the 80s and almost being put off listening to music by the uninvolving and flat nature of the reproduction of those early CDs in the 90s I was then expected to re-buy all the music yet again as remasters to achieve something near the beauty of the sound I used to get with vinyl. At this point I decided I'd bought the rights (or a licence) to the music when I first bought it on LP and that I could not be expected to buy the same piece of music three times for the exorbitant rip-off prices charged by the record companies for CDs.

I wonder if anyone here has ever downloaded and watched a commercial movie. More thievery. :-)
On 16 Mar 2011 at 5:17pm Plod wrote:
Why don't you nick your cd's from Tesco along with your snacks then, that'll teach 'em to make a profit.
On 16 Mar 2011 at 5:45pm MC wrote:
You need to get out more Penguin.
The music in Tesco's is crap.
On 17 Mar 2011 at 5:35pm king Crimson wrote:
Very good points! However, I am still waiting to hear from someone who is willing to swap his music with mine! Whether it is a "crime" or not is besides the point of this thread! You Brits are obsessed with legality! I guess we Italians have the opposite tendency ! ... which is even worse, I suppose !
On 18 Mar 2011 at 7:20am MC wrote:
If I was you'd I look at swapping music with others via various Internet technologies and using social music services like last.fm to suggest new music to you based upon your listening habits and those of others. I think that's the way its gone nowadays.
On 18 Mar 2011 at 9:03am King Crimson wrote:
Thank you MC. I have tried Last FM and I didn't like its suggestions much.
In my younger days, there was a popular car boot sale in Milan where people like me would go along, bring their records and swap them on the spot.
I can't understand why this can't be done here! I suppose most sellers would object to that as it would damage their "business" ! The corrupting power of money !
On 18 Mar 2011 at 12:14pm MC wrote:
I think the key here is "your younger days". It's not so attractive to swap files at boot fairs and much simpler to do it via email, FTP, BitTorrent or whatever.
On 19 Mar 2011 at 8:25am King Crimson wrote:
I meant records (lps, vinyl, 33), cds. Remember them?
On 19 Mar 2011 at 6:57pm MC wrote:
Yes. I do. I still have boxes of vinyl festering away in the attic. My point was that it is more normal nowadays for music to be consumed via internet streaming or disk based files. Vinyl has disappeared and CDs are declining rapidly. So, we are left with swapping files at boot fares. Not to attractive is it?
On 19 Mar 2011 at 8:56pm King Crimson wrote:
I guess I am an old fart, as I still love vinyl ! Unlike my brother, I also love mp3 and would love to exchange music over the net. Alternatively, meeting in town would be an even better option. But I can see this is not going to happen... at least not here in Lewes where everyone is terrified of breaking the law! Like many people, I had lots of problems downloading from Limewire. Also, as much as prices from legal downloading sites are really coming down, I still like the idea of swapping music with people who share the same musical taste. Given that it might be technically illegal, according to some zealous "law abiding" citizen, then I guess I'm going to put an ad on Friday Ad and see what happens. I don't seem to be getting anywhere here on Lewes Forum!
PS If you want to get rid of your vinyl I can come with my car to your place and clear your loft in an hour!

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