On 27 Jan 2016 at 6:55am just saying! wrote:
I recently rang the docs to get an appointment, to be told they did not have any, i would have to ring back at 8am. i tried explaining that i work in remote areas where mobile singles are few and far between (fairwarp woods, the middle off the ashdown forest ect) trying to get a signal and holding that signal, while 50th in the cue is not an option. told the receptionist that i considered the problem urgent (lump in delicate area), still no appointments. when i finally did get appointment, basically told by Doc if i wanted it treated quickly, best off going private. my wife has also got a lump on the inside off her eye lid, also told it is not "cost effective for the NHS to remove it, best off going private. between my wife and i, we pay about £180pm in NI contributions, not only can we not get an appointment, we are the told the "go private line". so maybe this gov should give us the option to "opt out" of NI contributions. seeing that the pension purse is empty and the NHS is NON functional!!. it seems that if you work hard the facilities that we are paying for are not available to us, they are only available to lazy arses who have the time to be at home and sit on the phone in a cue, sucking the system dry that others pay for. i already pay a private pension and for the £180pm i pay in NI, private care would be a lot cheaper. fed up paying for lazy arse spongers.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 7:54am Dexter wrote:
Yes it is. But you are right, You pay your Insurance and these practices are unnaceptable. It's your health service, you pay for it. Make your voice heard.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 9:56am Mavis wrote:
Yep, we all think the health service is marvellous in some situations, but in an everyday situation, it just steals our time, we wait for hours, for appointments, at appointments, in queues for everything, either physically standing, sitting there, or in virtual queues we don't even see. We are bursting at the seams ! Control immigration.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 10:04am DrNo wrote:
The tories are just allowing the NHS to run itself into the ground so that they can then say - we told you so, private is better. Then there will be private companies (many foreign owned) running all different aspects of the NHS causing much confusion as in the trains.
The bosses will be creaming off profits for themselves & their shareholders. How long till they then come begging for £40 billion of public money cos it's all gone t$%ts up.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 2:24pm Flip side wrote:
Two weeks ago had a silky fall , ouch , a week later still swollen and painful , pop in to the Vic 6.30 pm , was seen quickly , told to go back next day for X-rays as they go at 5pm , went back seen at 4.30 after 15 min wait , ( I hadn't booked ) next day phone call to go in . Small fracture off to Brighton fracture clinic , so I can't say it's been too bad for me , and I only pay 75 quid a quarter in stamps being self employed , just saying
On 27 Jan 2016 at 3:13pm Tory Voice wrote:
The NHS`s time is past ,sellit off and introduce private cover for those hard working people that can afford it,,as for the the poor and lazy, who gives a damn anyway,let them die in their council houses. .
On 27 Jan 2016 at 3:33pm Dexter wrote:
What council houses? I think you meant private slums.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 7:37pm Sinister wrote:
For once I agree with you Dexter.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 7:39pm just saying! wrote:
i dont think the NHS is past it, i just think that if it is to continue being run as it is, the option to opt out should be given. if we are to keep a service that we cant use, why should we continue to pay for it?. the NHS is a fantastic system if run properly, Unfortunately the government we have is just a bunch of robbing, self pleasuring arseholes, and i can't see an alternative party to get them out. fed up with paying through the nose, for those that have not, or do not want to contribute to our welfare system. it just seems that there are an awful lot of people these days, who are reaping the benefits of hard working people, while they clog up our doc waiting rooms, getting sick notes for why they cant work, and why they need to suck a welfare system dry to fund their takeaway meals and pay their iphone contract. i dont want the NHS to be privatized, but i do not see any alternative. something has to change
On 27 Jan 2016 at 8:02pm Kipper wrote:
Spongers,shirkers and immigrants.When we come to power they will have nowhere to hide.Nigel has the right idea,privatize the NHS.Ship them out or let them die.
On 27 Jan 2016 at 9:09pm TTIP wrote:
Just wait till me and the EU get our hands on that lovely juicy cash cow, we're going to bleed it dry!
On 27 Jan 2016 at 11:38pm Lewes Chap wrote:
The simple fact is that no-one else has copied the NHS. It's not affordable, nor efficient, nor good enough.
The problem is that the lefties have, over the years, convinced the thickies that it's free.
On 28 Jan 2016 at 12:34am IMEYOU wrote:
The NHS were in its day "The best a man could get!" The NHS themselves still live to that ideal, It is the brown envelopes, manager's, trusts, directors and the government that are causing the problems. Over in Cuba they have a very efficient free doctor and dental NHS with mandatory yearly health checks for all and have very negligible waiting times for an appointment. Prevention is better than a cure is there motto. Google It. Maybe I am being slightly vindictive here but I had a MRI scan of my back on the 30th September 2015 and was told that I have moderate to severe problems in many areas of my back and that I would be referred to a specialist within six weeks. Sixteen weeks later I decided to make a phone call only to be told "We haven't forgotten you but you are near the top of the list"
On 28 Jan 2016 at 8:14am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I think the NHS is still good, despite the best efforts of government and meddling managers to ruin it.
A couple of years ago, I had a lump that was of concern, and was seen about a fortnight after visiting my MP, given the tests I needed at that appointment and told that everything was fine a couple of weeks later. A recent referral to rheumatology got me an appointment after about 3 months (perfectly acceptable wait for something manifestly non-urgent), a whole battery of blood tests, MRI scans and x-rays and a follow up appointment for the results 3 months later.
I agree there is an issue with GPs, but that is because there is such a shortage of them. I haven't needed to go for ages, but I believe I can book online for my surgery, which gets over the phone hassle.
If I really think I need to see the doctor urgently, I drive down there as soon as they're open and book it in person.
On 28 Jan 2016 at 8:36am Mark wrote:
Lewes Chap, Google "healthcare costs per capita" and see how Britain compares with other developed countries.
On 28 Jan 2016 at 2:07pm bastian wrote:
To the original poster-just saying! Did it occur to you to do what evryone else does in this situation and ask your wife/a reletive to phone for you, someone who is not in the middle of no wheer by 8 am. I start work at 8 am myself, if I am not in a position to phone I ask someone else to do it for me, with the times I can be available-besides, if you were desperate to see a doctor, you wouldn't be at work, even if self employed. Your NI goes into a pot from which everyone draws, it is a selfless act on the part of the nation to look after each other. Private is nibbling at the edges and champiing at the bit to take over the contribution, when it does there will be various standards of cover, basic (covers nothing more than a head ache) then gold, then platinum-a hip operation will cost you £10,000-can you afford that? I work and have always wiorked, but I cannot afford a hip operation at private prices and that is the reallity of most people, those who work and those who cannot.
On 28 Jan 2016 at 5:35pm Lewes Chap wrote:
And your point is, Mark?
On 28 Jan 2016 at 6:29pm bastian wrote:
I think Marks point is that because we have the NHS it keeps costs down, rather than open to bidding on the open market.
On 28 Jan 2016 at 9:24pm Lewes Chap wrote:
IF that was genuinely the case, all the more reason for other countries to copy it. Yet they don't. Get it, yet?
On 29 Jan 2016 at 8:22am just saying! wrote:
Bastian Did it occur to you, that my wifes employer may not allow her to stop working and hang around in a phone cue to book somebody else's appointment. relatives you say... hang on, one half of my family live in a totally different part of the British isles, and the other some miles away, both i might add very busy with their own lives.would i ask them to interrupt their lives to hang on the phone? NO i would not. you are right if it was a "medical emergency" and i was desperate to see a doctor, i would not be at work, but then again i would not be ringing a doctor, i would be ringing an ambulance (not that i have ever needed to). if you mean do i need to see a doctor urgently, then i would (as i did) ring to book an appointment, i am not in the habbit of waiting on the docs step first thing in the morning. i ring and talk to the relevant people and let them book me said appointment, i dont however after 40 odd years of so for paying for the system, want some snooty receptionist telling me that i cant book an appointment "i need to ring back at 8am" when explained this is clearly not an option. im glad you can just drop your work at will, and go to the docs at your leisure, im sure its very comforting for you. but do not assume we all have that option. As for your selfless statement, i do not agree, it is not upto the hard working people of this land to prop the system up for others to abuse. in many many cases it is not "cannot" it is "will not". i have lived in 4 different parts of the country through out my life so far, and with out exception, i can quite easily run out of fingers if i tried counting on my hands, those in my immediate neighborhoods that are shirking, all able bodied, all fit, all full of excuses and ALL LAZY. Yes is the answer to your Question, i have looked into private healthcare and yes i maybe able to, but i already through NI pay for a health system, if i were given the option to "opt" out, then yes if the NHS is to continue to run as it is, i would. would i spare a thought for the lazy shirkers.... NO i would not. and dont assume i dont care about the genuine unabled ones, i do. that should be the benefit of the marvelous NHS and our welfare system, but it is being sucked dry by wasters! too many "cannot's"
On 29 Jan 2016 at 10:59am Mark wrote:
Yes I get it Lewes Chap. Other countries have failed to make the investment needed to produce a cost-effective system for provision. The American model costs it's customers 3x what ours does. It's not the system that's broken. I feel certain that Jeremy Hunt is hard at work on achieving maximum damage, though in his cronies interests.
On 29 Jan 2016 at 3:35pm bastian wrote:
There is one as good as ours, it's in Cuba! Actually it's possibly better than ours, but they don't have the disparety of incomes as us.