Lewes Forum thread

Go on, tell 'em what you think

Lewes Forum New message

Incredible - The Book of Eli download

On 28 Jan 2010 at 10:44am KellyLamb wrote:
I watched The Book of Eli at t b o e . i n f o and it was pretty good quality. but I had to do a survey first. after that it worked though, so whatever.
On 28 Jan 2010 at 1:10pm Sherlock wrote:
I think we've all felt like that at times. Have a lie down.
On 28 Jan 2010 at 11:23pm Down and Out wrote:
So, basically, you come on a public forum and admit to illegal downloading. A forum where Plod could easily get authority to search your IP address etc. That's really not the smartest move I've come across. You're not really called Kelly as well, are you?
On 1 Feb 2010 at 1:30pm Lewes Cinema wrote:
Um.. so you are receiving stolen property in the form of stolen film content? Why don't you just have the courage to go the whole hog and steal a DVD from a local shop when it comes out Hmmm?
Just because it is done via the click of a mouse does not make it any less of a crime. You are riding on the backs of businesses like Lewes Cinema that have to pay for the content you are stealing.
On 1 Feb 2010 at 4:31pm Ed Can Do wrote:
If you want to pirate films, just use piratebay.org and avoid the surveys.
On 1 Feb 2010 at 11:37pm Brixtonbelle wrote:
there are loads of sites that you don't even have to download now - my daughter has found loads with kids films on them - even You tube has films in chunks.
But it will never take the place of the cinema - people will always love the experience of going to see a film with a big screen and decent sound. I hear cinema audiences are going up.
I applaud you Lewes cinema, but I'd still love a cinema I could got to any day, any time in Lewes as I'm a shiftworker.
On 4 Feb 2010 at 8:25pm Alex wrote:
Brixtonbelle, I know it's tilting at windmills, but I hope you're at least trying to persuade your daughter that watching illegally copied films is wrong. It doesn't matter if it involved downloading or not. People like going to the cinema, but very, very few films earn their money back from the theatrical release. They rely on DVD sales, and those sales are down. The bottom line is that until someone comes up with a business model where you can spend millions making a film that everybody then watches for free, the whole film industry is under threat.
On 4 Feb 2010 at 10:30pm Brixtonbelle wrote:
Why is it tilting at windmills ? She's not storing or distributing the films, just looking at them on sites that are already there - either youtube or Japanese versions. We also use lovefilm a lot and buy dvd's and go to the cinema, so I feel no guilt about letting her watch online, especially when cinemas don't seem to charge children's prices now - - £7 for a child ?
Anyone see Mark Thomas on the culture show tonight ? Very very intersting. The govt are trying to sneak in a law on filesharing and downloads that has very serious ramifications for freedom of speech. The terms of the new law are so loose they can also be applied to other 'crimes'. The only people in favour are of course the music execs and the govt. Technology is, as always way ahead and ways to download on the move without using a set isp are already here (iphone apps etc). Watch it on iplayer - it's not illegal, honest !.
On 5 Feb 2010 at 1:40pm Not from around here wrote:
Brixtonbelle - if your daughter is watching illegally copied films online you really do have a responsibility to stop her. I'm afraid the fact that you go to the cinema does not justify watching stolen content any more than you would be justified to steal a book from WH Smiths just because you usually buy books there.
I saw the feature on the culture show and it amazes me that campaigners for so-called 'free speach' try to make copyright theft a 'grey area', it's not, it's very clearly wrong as the people who own and produce that content are not getting paid for their work. It's theft of content.
When your daughter is watching full feature films online she is forming the final link in a dishonest chain. If she watches something in its entirety online (I think clips on you tube are little different) then she is unlikely to want to buy or rent that content later on therefore depriving the funds from the producers of that content.
The government are trying to pass a law so that if a person repeatedly downloads illegal content they will have their broadband removed. How does stealing something that does not belong to you impact on free speech for gods sake?
Your logic that 'she is watching something that is already there' does not make sense. If somebody parked a stolen car outside your house and gave you the keys and said you could use it for free, would you willingly accept it on the basis that as it had alrady been stolen that you were doing nothing wrong by using it yourself? No, didn't think so.
I'm afraid justifying theft on the grounds that you don't like the price also holds no water. Have you ever actually stopped to think that online theft of content might just make your 'childs' cinema ticket more expensive still? Work it out - it's not rocket science.
On 5 Feb 2010 at 11:08pm Brixtonbelle wrote:
I agree about theft being wrong etc, however I think in this case bringing in a law that can close down not just one person's right to use the internet, but whole households or buildings is an infringement on freedom of information. You obviously didn't watch the whole of the feature, or just didn't get how insidious it can be for people's access to the internet. It can be applied without an injunction or justification but at the will of a company that obtains records on people's private habits via their isp. This is very serious. The artists Mark Thomas spoke to weren't worried about copyright infringement - file sharing via the internet gets their music or films to far far more people than normal methods of distribution can and do.
Let's face it Youtube, myspace and other music sites have been an absolute boon to unknown artists getting there stuff out there. The internet is an amazing and wonderful tool and is creating new rules and new ways of looking, sharing information and protocols for it are still being worked out and tested in law, particularly copyright.

When rap artists and others stated sampling during the early eighties it was seen as theft. However when artists realised it was leading people back the original versions of their songs, they were pretty happy, because they were selling more albums. Now collaborations of this sort happen all the time. Elton John has had a resurgence amongst a completely new audience because of black artists sampling his work.

I have never illegally downloaded and neither has my daughter. We still buy cd's and dvd's. If youtube and the other sites she has found films on (and they weren't hard to find) are posting these films illegally then the huge corporations who own the rights to these films should sue the websites, not the viewer.

You're right NFAH, it's not rocket science. It's more advanced than that !

27 posts left

Your response

You must now log in (or register) to post
Click here to add a link »
Smile Wink Sad Confused Kiss Favourite Fishing Devil Cool



Buskers in Lewes 17:132
Buskers in Lewes

I'm all for being open-minded, cynical and skeptical about narratives, big business, big-pharma etc....but where was your... more
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.
Thomas Paine