On 28 Mar 2019 at 9:25am Windy Miller wrote:
Taken from the BBC's website:
Voting record on the following Brexit proposals:
No-deal: Leaving the EU on 12 April without a deal (John Baron's proposal - 160 for, 400 against)
Common Market 2.0: Remaining in the European single market and seeking a temporary customs union with the EU (Nick Boles' proposal - 188 for, 283 against)
EFTA and EEA: Remaining in the European single market but not forming a customs union with the EU (George Eustice's proposal - 65 for, 377 against)
Customs union: Seeking a UK-wide customs union with the EU (Ken Clarke's proposal - 264 for, 272 against)
Labour's alternative plan: Negotiating changes to the withdrawal agreement so that it includes protections to workers' rights, a permanent customs union, and close alignment to the single market (Jeremy Corbyn's proposal - 237 for, 307 against)
Revoke Article 50: Cancelling Brexit if the UK gets within days of leaving the EU without a deal (Joanna Cherry's proposal - 184 for, 293 against)
Second referendum: Holding another public vote to confirm any withdrawal agreement agreed by Parliament (Margaret Beckett's proposal - 268 for, 295 against)
Standstill arrangement: Seeking a tariff-free trade agreement with the EU that will last for two years, during which time Britain will contribute to the EU budget (Marcus Fysh's proposal - 139 for, 422 against)
On 28 Mar 2019 at 11:12am Green Sleeves wrote:
Her voting was predictably awful. I suspect Hamid Barr will approve of these votes and feel very represented about the UK withdrawing from the world into the hermit kingdom. It's somewhat ironic that people (hapless brexiters) who claim to be patriotic, approve Britain of having a diminished standing on the world stage.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 12:25pm Tom Pain wrote:
You really are on a roll today greenie, a matchless example of the Frankfurt School's "critical method" -- just criticise and ridicule,never say anything definite yourself, stick to vague concepts like "progressive", "diversity" and such and you can be a very effective change agent. Just don't say what that change is.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 1:13pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@tom pain, careful you don't trespass into the zone of hypocrisy there. (And wouldn't be the first time)
There is little point in arguing with brexiters, but it's somewhat satisfying blaming and ridiculing them for this mess. A bunch of credulous fools, relentlessly parroting phrases like "take back control" like zombies, with a totally warped view of the EU, and of Britain's relevance today.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 1:49pm Hello wrote:
I haven't been coming on here all that long but must say I enjoy everything Green Sleeves writes. One of the funniest internet posters I've ever witnessed. Unintentionally funny that is.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 1:59pm Eighties Boy wrote:
Where's Paul Newman these days?
Perhaps he's emigrated or self-combusted in despair over the bungling of Brexit.
I do miss his comments.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 2:17pm Green Sleeves wrote:
@hello, well done, a comment of yours that actually made me laugh.
On 28 Mar 2019 at 6:29pm Tom Pain wrote:
I don't think you can blame brexiters for the mess. The government asked, the people replied ,then the government fouled it all up. I think the credulous fools you mention are all of us expecting the government to represent us.
On 29 Mar 2019 at 11:24am bored2 wrote:
Can totally blame brexiters for mess. The brexiter faction of the tory party was the reason for the vote. The brexit supporting MPs and campaigns lied about the reality of brexit. The brexit voters ignored a lot of basic lies about our relationship with EU and lies about the future.
After the election the brexiter MPs and many voters have decided that certain forms of brexit as advertised and campaigned on actually aren't brexit. They have blamed the EU for 3 years for their own basic misunderstanding that close trade equals close regulatory alignment.
Given they removed many forms of brexit and their lies have been uncovered they have found their slim majority turn into a minority yet still persist with the claim they are holding some sort of moral highground.
Brexiters are a joke, hiding behind their prideful ignorance. Like the Iraq war, give it 20 years and everyone will claim they were against it.
On 29 Mar 2019 at 11:36am Tom Pain wrote:
The government lied to us to get us into the EEC in the full knowledge that it was more than just an economic union. Now they're lying to get us out -- what a surprise.