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Fat Boy shows his true colours

On 20 Apr 2006 at 11:07pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:

http://www.lewesmatters.co.uk/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,3/func,view/id,69/catid,2/
I see fat boy is considering taking John Stockdale to court over his disaproval to the dreadful Pheonix Phiasco. Do we really want this drama queen dictating the future of Lewes?

On 21 Apr 2006 at 10:40am George Doors wrote:

OK mister I will not go to your level of insults. What in your tiny mind do you envisage doing with the Phoenix area?? What is your plan or will you stand in the wings as you usually do and make snide comments looking through your green eyes.

On 21 Apr 2006 at 4:42pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:

What? You mean they have net access at the day center? Well I never.

On 21 Apr 2006 at 9:20pm George Doors wrote:

Come on answer the question.

On 21 Apr 2006 at 9:44pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:

The question, is too ridiculous to warrant an answer. However, as you're unable to work it out I'll give you the answer. Pay attention now, and read again my post. Fat Boy threw his toys out of the pram when one concerned Lewisian dared to question his plans for Lewes. Plans, that if implemented will effect the lives of every person living in this town. Now, you don't need a plan of your own to see that what is proposed doesn't suit Lewes (though you seem to, londoner probably). So there you have it dear boy, question answered. And if I could be any more patronising to you I would, because you obviously need it.

On 21 Apr 2006 at 11:40pm George Doors wrote:

Read they question not the one you wished I had asked. Again for you "What...do you envisage doing with the Phoenix area?? What is your plan??" I would love to know what you, being all seeing and knowing would do with this brown field site. It seems that you do not want to answer this question. I am sure many people have read the Lewes Matters website and read the cross fire between Style and Stockdale. So rather than be unfunnily patronising lets see what you have in mind for Lewes.

On 22 Apr 2006 at 3:03pm The Tooth Fairy wrote:

If you can't work it out, then it's not for me to educate the likes of your sort. (here's a clue though, ready, LOW DENSITY, LOW RISE, HOUSING. Now, did you understand that?

On 22 Apr 2006 at 7:24pm George Doors wrote:

There are many other answers that you could have given; ie business only (like now but better facilities), mixed development but low rise, low density (housing and businesses not shops) etc. You are such a condescending SOB especially when you have been shown unable to answer a striaght question. Since you all knowing and all seeing. hat do you feel should be the maximum density, height and % of affordable housing. Please do not reply in such unamusing tones; lets be adult, not lower 6th.
Where abouts in London are you from.................JOKE!

On 23 Apr 2006 at 5:41pm I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:

Wish I was a member of the intelligentsia... bit like George... then I could be condesending.
Face facts...
The level/density/mix of the Phoenix project will be decided by the nett profit the prospective developer is ultimately allowed to make.
This money factor is very well highlighted by the piss poor posts that occur on another forum... you sue me I'll sue you.
Please note, The ultimate project judge will be a government body... not you, I or a forum.
Lets be bright bunnies (not lower 6th) and discard public opinion as a PR exercise.
Speaking as an upper 6th the worrying part of the judgement is that part of the scheme is the incorporation of flood defenses.
This smacks of bribery and will certainy affect the decision in the favour of the developer.
PhilX

On 23 Apr 2006 at 7:13pm Annabel wrote:

You may be right, maybe there is nothing we can do to influence the outcome of the Phoenix developement, but shouldn't we at least try. Lewes Matters have set up their website so that people like us can have a voice, whatever our opinions. Unless you agree with every element of the propsal (or even if you do) fill in their online survey. It may be the only chance we have to influence the decisions.

On 23 Apr 2006 at 8:08pm George Doors wrote:

I think that public pressure has changed a number of aspects of the scheme. Probably not enough, but a step at least. We should continue intelligently rather than roll over.

On 23 Apr 2006 at 8:40pm SHS wrote:

As PhilX notes, the ultimate judges are govt bodies. Sad fact is we cannot rely on LDC or ESCC or any other local govt body to look after the needs of the locals that pay their salaries; these bodies have to obey central govt rules which broadly state 'get as much money as possible by whatever means possible because central govt funding is only going to fall'. Yes, public consultation is nothing but PR.
However, if we protest loud enough and in the right manner, we could influence events. That's why people like John Stockdale should be supported - he has given his time and stuck his neck out and others should rally to support him. I saw in black & white at the exhibition the words 'eight storeys' (once) and 'seven storeys' (six or seven times).
The developer will obey planning regs. Unless our local govt officials are prepared to pro-actively consult all Lewes residents and then act on our wishes, nothing will change.

On 24 Apr 2006 at 9:02am I dont live in lewes anymore wrote:

I believe in democracy and the voice of the people.
However, that doesn't mean that the public voice is listenened to by the righteous and the good that walk amongst us.
Self interested government bodies most often get their way.
Glance around and view the present prominent Folly (aka County Hall)that can be seen from many parts of Lewes.
In a historic county town how could plans ever have been passed for that?
Doubt if the same planning tolerence is given for a member of the status quo doing a bit of house upgrading.
The parking scheme (after extensive public consultation so the local residents/businesses really can't whinge) is plainly a conived money making scheme and has fugg all to do with the welfare of Lewesians let alone promote the town.
Meanwhile money continues to clank into the all consuming coffers.
Doesn't fill you full of confidence knowing that ESCC has their finger on the pulse and will be most influential in the Phoenix decision making process.
As for the developer...
With just the one exception, it appears on another forum the developer continually portrays themselves as a modern day fairy godmother with everyones interest at heart.
I'm sure there are interests at heart but question if it's everyones.
Incase the developer reads this...
Just between you and I, a few 6/7/8 story thin, phallic symbols rising from Mother Earth and thrusting Heavenwards set on the banks of a meandering, tranquil river framed by the soft roundness of South Downs will look very nice. Hopefully you can make them lean outwards just a tadge into a "V" shape.
lol
PhilX

On 24 Apr 2006 at 10:18am George Doors wrote:

I feel some people forget that it has not evn got to planning yet! When the final plans are drawn up then we must stand and object if needed. I would value Mr Stockdales comments more if I were not suspicious that it is a means of getting elected in the next council elections. Something that had eluded him on previous attempts.
Are all developres bad and should be treated with contempt? I do not know but rude comments form the likes of "tooth fairy" are not called for. It seems intersetsing how no one has commented on the Lanport and Malling estates, their architecture is not the best and the facilities very poor.

On 24 Apr 2006 at 1:04pm I dont live in lewes any more wrote:

Agree that out-right rudeness isn't called for... it achieves little.
Also agree about suspicion vs next council elections.
I don't think your wordage Re' developers/bad / contempt/ are the correct issues.
I do know that developers are profit orientated which must influence any proposed plans.
I don't believe in Fairy Godmothers... or the Easter Bunny.
If I was to put my money on the final outcome it would be on a watered down version of the proposed plans.
Sozs... The now high flying councillor Stockdale can single handedly bath in the glory of preventing a total eyesore... meanwhile on a tropical island a lonely developer praises himself for pulling of an extraordinary PR stunt while sitting feet up supping his pina colada... simultanously chatting on his mobile planning the next venture.
All Gods children are happy.
Watch this space...
I'm wasted on this forum
PhilX