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On 24 Mar 2015 at 1:07am Localperson wrote:
Who would like to explain to Nigel Farage that if he wants the right to discriminate against gay, disabled, black and female people ( his view of a free world) then that includes these people ( who he is describing as scum) being able to discriminate against him and making him to go away?
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 1:12am UKRAP wrote:
UKIP + Fiasco= Farrago!
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 8:36am Wells Farago wrote:
Yee Ha
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 9:17am Slarty wrote:
Yeah, lets all forget about freedom of speech and support intimidation if people don't agree with our views.
I do not support the views he was being criticised for, but I support intimidation much much less. Mob rule is not the answer to stupid ideas.
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 10:02am Voter wrote:
I don't support them either. However the confrontational scenes we saw are exactly what he is endorsing (the right to discriminate against other people for any reason) which is why his nasty views are so divisive , inept and unhelpful. Hence the point of the original post.
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 10:41am Slarty wrote:
Voter, can you just confirm that you are saying that if someone makes comments you don't agree with then it is fair to drive him, his wife and two children out of a pub where they are enjoying a family meal and surround their vehicle in a hostile manner?
I've just disagreed with you - should I be worried?

Also, please provide any links or proof that you can find that Farage endorses this type of confrontational scene.

PS - the answer to the first question should be a simple yes/no, we don't need a politician's response. The second question is rhetorical.
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 11:05am Voter wrote:
Slarty.
The point being made is simply Nigel Farage wants people to be allowed to discriminate against others.
This means that others can discriminate against him.
It is an ugly idea, which produces ugly results, doesn't it?
Personally, I wouldn't chose this method of demonstrating what a world with his philosophy might be like, since I don't think Mr Farage is confused at all, I think he is just very unpleasant.

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On 24 Mar 2015 at 11:24am Slarty wrote:
So, yes or no to my question?
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 11:50am Voter wrote:

In answer to your question, I don't know, because I didn't see the protest, and wasn't there. That is why my post ( and the original post) addresses the simple problem of logic that Mr Farage has with his ideology about removing anti-discrimination law, not the rights and wrongs of one specific incident.
PS. Telling me how I 'should' write an idle post on a local internet Forum is a little bit unnecessary, isn't it? Did I sign sign a contract with you! :-)
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 12:08pm Slarty wrote:
I suggested the options for the answer because I wanted an answer, not the waffle you gave.
at 10:02 Voter typed "However the confrontational scenes we saw..."
at 11:50 Voter typed "...I didn't see the protest..."

Another tip on how to write idle posts, don't tell fibs and/or contradict yourself!
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 12:25pm Voter wrote:
When you call other people a 'liar' do you think that is a good thing? or a bad thing?

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On 24 Mar 2015 at 12:37pm Slarty wrote:
Bad. It is a bad thing that we have to live with liars in the world.

When you lie, do you think it is a good thing or bad thing?
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 12:41pm Voter wrote:
Ye lying is a very bad thing. I agree. So why do you think I would lie about something on a trivial internet Forum, and what would I gain?
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 1:15pm q wrote:
Did I discriminate when I selected my wife from the thousands of possibilities? did I discriminate when I selected jobs I would like to apply for?
Farage says that an employer should be free to prefer a British born employee be they black or white, gay or straight. That was his main point, but I agree that he also seems to be saying that the race relations laws seem to have done their work and made us one of the most tolerant societies there has ever been and in that situation there is no further need for the legislation. I think he has a point but if that is so then there is also no need to remove the legislation.
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On 24 Mar 2015 at 1:20pm Local Resident wrote:
Yes, a very reasonable view. So what on earth would motivate him to want to remove protective legislation? Is he completely insane, or does he want people to be discriminated against. We don't have a lot of gun crime, (although like discrimination it does exist) so would he also want to remove gun laws? The whole point of laws, is that not everyone is well behaved, and without laws we cannot stop them, and do something about it.
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On 25 Mar 2015 at 11:02am Old Bloke wrote:
From the Guardian Letters Page
As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment.
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
Alan Dear
Downe, Kent
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On 25 Mar 2015 at 12:57pm Young bloke wrote:
and as has been clearly explained on another thread , such lawless behaviour against people you don't like for whatever discriminatory reason you feel like, is exactly what Nigel Farage was recorded as endorsing. (UKIP Cllr Donna Edmunds agrees with him) Hence the irony of his outrage. These protestors are no more silly than a racist Britain First rabble, but a lot less nasty and vicious.


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