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Europe – We could be out

On 6 Jun 2016 at 1:10am pn wrote:
The Polls are now neck and neck after a week of out and out immigrant bashing form the force of Brexit. It has ended with Nigel Farrage suggesting that sex attacks by foreigners wold be the nuclear bomb of the referendum.
We have clearl descended beneath the gutter into the sewer and as we speak the Bank of England is putting emergency funding facilities in place for the expected run on sterling and banking confidence. Whether this will be a prelude to increased interest rates or increased debts they don`t say , they do say it will be one or the other and all agree that prolonged "austerity " will be unavoidable ( I perosnally belive it will be much worse).
That towering intellect Ian Duncan Smith , has said what I have heard other Bexiteers privately admit . They don`t care about the economic hardship if they can get out of Europe .
Well that’s all very well for him but the many in the building industry services and the starved public services who lose their jobs may feel differently . Of course I speak as a paid up member of an international conspiracy to bring about the end of England and merely do the bidding of my masters so I can probably be ignored .
Other deluded dupes and / or Judas creatures thankfully include the Trade Unions who are doing a much better job than the Labour Party of warning working people what Johnson Gove and the Tory right have in mind by” dynamic low tax economy “
A strange day in which I applaud the Trade Unions for stating what should be clear to a blind man and urging their 6,000,000 to get out and save their futures . Quite right , on the other hand I finished a post on John Redwoods Speccie article thusly
“Let’s all remember who was to blame for this betrayal of families who, in the past , looked to the Conservative Party for support
I have nothing but contempt for this collection of fantasists clowns and opportunists in the vile tradition of the vastly overrated buffoon Enoch Powell”
Others feel as I do , I don`t see any business as usual at the end of this
On 6 Jun 2016 at 6:53am Boris wrote:
I'm sorry Paul you have lost the plot, it right to point out the problems that come with immigration. Just look at France at the moment, the riots that our censored tv is ignoring.
I am someone who would be prepared for a short term economic down turn in order to get us out of the anti diverse, undemocratic , failing European Union. You are choosing a trade deal over our democracy and sovereignty. It's not about the money for me it's all about the European Union institution itself.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 6:55am Redballs wrote:
Could'nt resist One last scare Paul?
Still every cloud, even if we are left in the EU there will not be a Tory party after this anyway Paul, so it will be left up to Corby & Co to sort out.
Camoron has shown he couldn't run a fruit and veg stall let alone the 5th biggest economy in the world, that has a nuclear deterrent a seat on the security council is a member of G8. BUT is apparentley so insignificant that it can't go it alone and way too much for the Tories to run without help and ideas from big Sister the EU.
You reap what you sow and now a long period of reflection of how they attempted to betray the people of this once Great nation will do them no harm.
Camorons legacy will be as a traitor and and as the PM who attempted to sell out Britain.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 7:53am Remainer wrote:
Rarely agree with PN, but this time he's right. So glad you are prepared for a ?short? Economic downturn Boris. Thank you for taking us all down with you.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 8:55am pn wrote:
Calling the UK the worlds fifth biggest economy is like calling the Shetland Islands the fifth biggest Island in the UK. Yes it is true , no its does not make any difference . We are merely one a quite a few on around 2% of global GDP ,none of whom matter alone
Boris I don`t say there aren`t problems associated with immigration in fact I have been saying so for years. Those problems, however are associated , not with freedom of movement in the EU but with New Commonwealth immigration which we , as a country , have had every power to stop for years and UKIP have promised more of
As far as working in the EU is concerned there are about 2,000,000 here and about 2,000,000 over there . They make a considerable contribution to the exchequer commit less crime , work harder and assist growth more than the average UK citizen . They do not live in ghettoised communities , bomb us insult us or claim victim status
Redballs , the fact that no senetence can contain any notion of comeptence and the name Jeremy Corbyn is the problem.

On 6 Jun 2016 at 9:55am Resilewes wrote:
Paul Newman, I agree with some of your points on this forum, and profoundly disagree with some of your other opinions, but I feel you'd far better represent yourself if you could be more concise instead of posting walls of text which leads to people rolling their eyes, thumbing you down and moving to the next post after glossing over the first sentence. Brevity is key on forums. Just a bit of friendly advice.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 10:00am Jeff wrote:
I couldn't agree more @Resilewes. I don't think I've ever read more than 4 or 5 lines of a PN post, life's just too short.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 10:31am Resilewes wrote:
Exactly Jeff, he's the class clown. PN has become like the tedious out-of-touch Uncle that rants on at Christmas and everyone switches off within a few seconds - at best. The contempt for PN on this forum is palpable.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 11:03am Mark wrote:
Narcissistic self-agrandisment really.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 11:44am Interest rates wrote:
I don't know where all this rubbish about interest rates going up post-Brexit is coming from but Paul isn't the first badly informed person I've heard say this. If all the doom-mongers turn out to be correct and Britain is indeed plunged into the worst recession since the last one, why on Earth would the BoE put up interest rates? The only reason to do that is to curb spending to combat inflationary pressure, in a recession it's literally the last thing you'd do as you'd only make things worse! Why do you think interest rates have been essentially zero since the banks screwed the economy? Nobody has any money to spend so nobody is spending anything so our economy is going nowhere.

Mark Carney may be a stooge who does whatever the government tell him to under the guise of independence but he's not a complete idiot and even George Osborne must have enough of a grasp of economics to know that putting up interest rates is what you do in times of boom, not bust.

There are plenty of good reasons to stay in the EU without making things up Paul, by doing so you actually weaken your standpoint. Maybe Paul is a secret outer, running a reverse psychology campaign? I doubt he's that clever but stranger things have happened.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 3:19pm trooper wrote:
IN or OUT It is of little interest to me I have a bounden duty to keep my company trading and to keep my workers in full employment, and we will do what it takes, we will overcome the obstacles in our path, and if you listen and read all the rhetoric from both sides it looks like it will be a rough ride.
On 6 Jun 2016 at 8:26pm pn wrote:
Interest rates - the first fool,to put numbers on it was Mark Carney speaking on behalf of the MPC the other fools were every Chancellor we have had going back to Thatcher - but you know best.
On 7 Jun 2016 at 7:22pm Shame wrote:
Voting ‘Remain' to keep the Tories out of national government because one can't win one's case with the British electorate at general elections is the most despicable argument proffered by either side during this referendum campaign.
On 8 Jun 2016 at 7:16am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
It's entirely plausible that interest rates would rise if we go for Brexit.
There will be a long period of uncertainty, while the timescale and terms of Brexit are worked out. Uncertainty is the kiss of death to an economy that is heavily reliant on foreign investments and makes a big proportion of its money from the financial sector.
To make investing here attractive and prevent a run on the pound, the only option the BoE would have is to raise interest rates.
Older FMs will remember the misery of the endless interest rate rises of the 1980s and early 90s. My repayments on a £26,000 mortgage weren't much less than my friend pays now on her £150,000 mortgage. It's bad for business, too, because they can't afford to borrow money to invest.
On 8 Jun 2016 at 5:46pm Midnight-express wrote:
It's important that we vote 'in' so that we don't spoil our special relationship with the Americans. They have done a lot for us over the last century and as equal partners we must think about their interest too.

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