On 24 Oct 2014 at 6:47am Mavis wrote:
Maybe the E U wants us to leave their crappy club. Fining us for having a buoyant economy £1.7 bn. How to win a nation over ? When they know damn well the populace is already on the edge about immigration and the cost of the bureaucracy. How anyone in the UK can ever agree to this will amaze me. If this isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is !! Let's reply right now with an IMMEDIATE referendum. Even if, as the pro EU folks tell us we will lose trade leaving, if we pay the fine it's the same thing so we now really have nothing to lose by leaving ! But at least that's the end of it. Smell the coffee folks.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 9:05am Sword of Truth wrote:
Mavis,do you think that if we got rid of the EU Government would suddenly become cheap responsive and in any real sense democratic? It would just be the same crap with a another face ( it certainly always has been )
Meanwhile we are a looking at a 10% down turn out of the EU thats £250 billion and we risk losing international confidence and having interest rates charge up out of control. Thats jobs lost , lives wrecked hospitals unfunded .... the carnage is unthinkable .
I have been bitching about the EU and immigration for far longer than you and I agree with almost everything you say.None of that stacks up to leaving the EU
Please please keep a calm head on this its so important
On 24 Oct 2014 at 9:10am Zzz.. wrote:
Why do you call it a fine? It's not. All countries contribute to the EU according to how wealthy they are. It works exactly the same as the UK's tax system. Do you call the tax you pay a fine? No, you don't.
It's smple to see you vote UKIP. You make as much sense as the rest of them. A sad indictment of both the UK education system and our national character.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 10:31am Hard Working Family Man wrote:
It's no different from the UK government's attitude to ordinary hard working families. We work harder, earn more money and what does Call Me Dave do? Take more income tax off us, that's what. Tax the poor, not the rich, is what I say.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 11:12am Old Bloke wrote:
Zzz - perfect example of Lewes intolerant rather up his own backside pontificator.
Loves to spend time on his lofty perch defining as stupid any person that holds a different view to his/hers
On 24 Oct 2014 at 12:38pm Predictable wrote:
what was it that 'bored' said.....?
Recipe; Take one controversial headline, post it on Lewes Forum, add WTF, Sword of Truth, Old Bloke....then light blue touch paper and retire.......to bed.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 1:39pm UQUIT wrote:
I have an idea, why don't all the xenophobic bigoted UKIP voters go to the Isle of Wight where they can live like it's the 1950's and leave the rest of the cosmopolitan, forward thinking, enlightened, empathetic, free thinking people to get on with the 21st century?!
On 24 Oct 2014 at 1:45pm Zzz.. wrote:
Never liked the Guardian and tolerant of most things and people, but not racist bigots and people who spout complete and obvious errant nonsense such as Mavis. I mean, a fine?
If you want to lose jobs quickly, leave the EU mate.
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian, Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Tamil. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 2:04pm Old Bloke wrote:
Wrong on nearly every count.
When it comes to bigotry and intolerance you're up their with the finest exponents.
NB The Three Faces of Bored return as Predictable. Amazing how someone so bored of it all manages to chip in every time
On 24 Oct 2014 at 2:16pm Curate wrote:
The lesson for today is from Luke 8:30 . For the Lewes Forum is like " Legion " there are many names used , by maybe only a handful of people . Peace be with you all , and may your god go with you.
On 24 Oct 2014 at 2:31pm Swor of Truth wrote:
Zzzz , English contains most of the Latin vocabulary, masses of French, Germanic words obviously and words from just about everywhere in the world. Its still English, not French or Esperanto perhaps you've noticed ?
Immigration is way to high and no-one can possibly like being sent a bill for relative success (only relative to the world`s lame duck economies )
I want us to stay in the EU because to leave would be an economic calamity but people who are interested in what UKIP have to stay are not stupid.
You do not help .
On 24 Oct 2014 at 2:37pm Old Bloke wrote:
On the contrary I think he/she does.
The everyone else is stupid/bigoted/racist rants win UKIP more votes daily.
PS think you're wrong about the EU but well done for putting your view across in a reasonable and enlightened manner - something the thought Nazis on here are incapable of
On 24 Oct 2014 at 2:57pm Slarty wrote:
Part of the reason for a higher contribution is because we now have to include proceeds of prostitution, drugs and other black market ventures. This seems wrong to me because:
how does the profit of this revenue get back to the government? OK, the dealers and hookers may buy something with VAT on it, but can't we assume that if the junkies and clients wouldn't have spent that money illegally then they would have spent it legally (on items with VAT on them)?
How does anyone know how much is spent on black market in the UK?
This goes back to 1995 and accounts have been recalculated since then. In this country (and most of Europe that I know about, which isn't all of it), accounting records only have to be kept for 6-8 years, so 19 years back tax seems unfair.
Perhaps the amount is correct, but I do not like the way it has been imposed. Even HM Revenues and Customs would give time to pay by instalments in such a case (and they'd only claim the last 6 years).
On 24 Oct 2014 at 5:23pm Phfellow2004 wrote:
Let's get sensible with regards to our continued membership of the EU. We should be aiming to mend it not end it.
On 25 Oct 2014 at 12:31am Ed Can Do wrote:
Any time a criminal wants to launder their money to make it seem legit, they need to funnel it through a real business and this means paying tax on it. Take a service based business where it's impossible to prove how much business has actually been done (So not selling stuff. Car hire or hairdressing is good) and funnel the dirty cash through that. File your accounts, pay your tax and off you go.
That's a big reason why the government are reticent to legalise drugs. Leave it to big pharm to sell narcotics and they'll funnel the cash off shore and the tax man will see none of it. Leave it to criminals and you get 20% of all the profits.
What the rabid UKIP stooges are conveniently ignoring is that the last couple of times the EU worked out the adjustment, the UK got a big rebate. The government knew this was coming, they just didn't perhaps realise how much the amount was going to be. Certainly one would want to see how the calculations were made and given the EU has failed to produce audited accounts pretty much ever, Cameron is right to argue the figure but this is significantly less of an issue than people are making it out to be.
On 25 Oct 2014 at 3:47am Bishop wrote:
If Cameron had a pair, he'd call a referendum on Europe immediately, if the answer was to stay, he'd be okay, if the answer was to leave Europe, he'd be seen as a hero and most likely be re-elected in May, blowing UKIP out of the water to boot. It's a win win situation for him. As he probably won't be calling a referendum now, he probably won't ever !! And thats the truth of it. God save us all from The United States of Europe.
On 25 Oct 2014 at 1:25pm SHS wrote:
Well said Mavis, lets get out of Europe but at the same time we have to bring back 'proud to be British'. Tolerance and understanding of others is all very well as long as we're not taken for a ride and laughed at, which tends to happen all to frequently now and at great expense to Hard Working Family Men.
The trouble is, you can surely guess that the 'referendum' will NOT give us an option to get out of Europe, the closest option of the two or three we will be allowed to select will be something like 'Do you agree that we should become more independent and have more control of our laws and way of life'.... and the govt will then keep GB in Europe and say it will negotiate greater independence etc etc, taking us all for toothless idiots as usual.
On 26 Oct 2014 at 7:46am Zzz.. wrote:
Successive UK governments have failed us. We still haven't got a decent energy policy or transport policy. Thatcher's privatisation has come back to haunt us with high energy prices, disjointed and expensive transport systems and our crucial utilities are owned by foreigners! Her liberalisation of the financial markets meant we had to bail out the banks... involving massive transfer of taxpayers wealth to the already well-healed, the lying Blair took us into a massive and costly war, the effects of which we are still feeling today (ISIS etc) and let housing prices spiral out of control causing a huge crash, immigration has spiralled out of control and the existing government is dismantling the welfare state, selling of fracking licenses to its chums despite massive opposition and in the process changing the law to do it.
Meanwhile the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting very much richer.
Add to that a completely undemocratic and unrepresentative political system, where half our representatives are unelected (and only there 'cos they are rich and titled), and less than 20% of the electorate voted for the government... who, when they get in utilise the whip system so even the individuals we voted for are not allowed to vote with their conscience.....
And what's the result? A declining tin-pot country where the majority of the population are becoming rapidly stupider and poorer, set to repeat the fascist 30s of the brownshirts.
Hard to see how the EU government could be any worse really.... and in fact it looks much better. At the very least it has a representative parliament.
On 26 Oct 2014 at 8:09am Mark wrote:
The United States of Europe will be with us for real if the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is ratified but we're not supposed to know about that just yet. It's a bit of a hush hush thing at this stage.
On 27 Oct 2014 at 8:50am been there done that. wrote:
Nobody raised a fuss when when received a huge additional rebate not so long ago, mean while the fool in number 10 who will not pay the bill when it becomes due, sounds forceful and determined but its all electioneering, he cant get out of settling it and will do so quickly. his government after all supplied the statistics its based on.
On 28 Oct 2014 at 7:54am Serendipity wrote:
He can't pay it. The Tories have created low tax, low wage, benefit dependent economy. They borrow more each month as the tax receipts are too low to finance the state. As a result state is very poor, to poor to pay the bill. The EU are aware of this too and they've stuck one on Cameron, as much as saying "OK, so your economy's doing so well you can afford to pay this" when in fact they know that the benefit of the recovery is not going to the citizens or the state but to the rich, and to the corparations. Clever EU. Much cleverer than our inbred stupids, the self-serving Tory Party.