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On 20 May 2014 at 8:04pm Winston wrote:
For me it's quite simple, I want all issues on how we run this country to be decided at Westminster.
I don't hate Europe and I don't hate Europeans and we should have a system in place where we trade freely but if that means we also have to be governed by Brussels then for get it.
If that makes me a Nazi or a fascist then so be it.
UKIP supporter has done a fantastic job in previous thread and I couldn't agree with him or her more.
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On 20 May 2014 at 8:41pm Tired legs... wrote:
Does that include Scotland?
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On 20 May 2014 at 10:07pm wrote:
I don't see there's much difference at all between the ruling elites of Westminster and Brussels. To say you want issues on how we run this country to be decided at Westminster is like saying you only want English criminals robbing your home. It's Little Englanderism at its most absurd.
In the same vein, nor do I see much difference between UKIP and Conservative and Labour. Despite what any number of Daily Mail educated voters think, they're all in the pocket of a conservative plutocracy intent on increasing or, at worst, stabilising their own wealth and power.
Farage has simply found a niche market of disaffected but gullible idiots to vote him into a position where he too can ignore their real needs by pandering to a few inconsequential and unfounded fears he's stoked for that very purpose. That and his own political career aside it'll business as usual, fleecing more and more money off the middle and working classes but this time round couched in the rhetoric of protecting their sovereign rights.
He's a city broker for Christ's sake, do you really think he's interested in the concerns of the plebs?
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On 21 May 2014 at 7:09am UKIP supporter wrote:
The thing I find fascinating about Lefties who love the EU and hate Ukip is that while they accuse the latter of being 'nasty' 'racists' 'fascists' and so on, they quite openly display their own...well...sheer nastiness.
Take Tired Legs calling the 30% or so of his fellow citizens who look likely to support UKIP tomorrow 'idiots'. That statement in itself is idiotic, because it is likely to make Ukip supporters such as me more determined to overturn the cost consensus and vote to start getting our country back.
I think the reason for it - and the similar co-ordinated campaign in the mainstream media is fury that the sheeple aren't prepared to do their bosses' bidding any more.
Lewes is still a little drop of paradise where it is easy to hold leftie-liberal-green views and think that everything in the garden is lovely. Well, it ain't.
LibLabCon have turned the country outside our bubble into a toilet and handed over the running of it to a bunch of numpties in Brussels who know and care nothing about us.
They have flooded the country with people prepared to work for slave wages, thus driving the wages of British people down -so no wonder Labour voters are now defecting to Ukip.
Both Tories and Labour have started illegal wars in the Middle East and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands. The Lib Dems who made such a big protest over Iraq, voted to go to war in Syria.
And now they are trying the same trick in the Ukraine.
That - and 100 other similar reasons- are why millions will vote for Ukip tomorrow, even in sunny Sussex and give LibLabCon a well deserved kick up their wobbly botties. The first of many.
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On 21 May 2014 at 1:27pm someone else wrote:
Winston and UKIP: unfortunately nothing you have written makes any sense at all.

Firstly, suppose 100% of MEPs elected are from UKIP. Does that mean we could leave the EU? No, it would make no difference. Would it change our national immigration policy? Not, not one iota. The only thing it would mean is that we would elect a set of MEPs who refuse to vote in accordance with our national interests, because they abstain.

Secondly, does the EU impact on privatisation of the NHS, the Royal Mail sell-off, education policy, income tax policy, pensionable age etc? No, of course not. So how can any vaguely rational individual suggest that we are run from Brussels? Do me a favour: name five EU policies which have materially made your life worse. Should be easy, if the EU is a disaster.

Thirdly, you suggest that because foreigners accept slave wages we have lost out. Have you heard of global neoliberalism at all? If British wages go up, global corporations move jobs overseas.

Fourthly, you'd like to believe that UKIP aren't racist. Why is it that so many of their candidates keep getting called out for making openly racist statements, then? And why is it that your meetings are 'protected' by the likes of Britain First, who are most definitely racist fascists. Surely a non-racist party would avoid any association with them.

Finally, you suggest that the country outside the bubble of Lewes is a toilet. I wonder, do you actually leave Lewes at all? I travel a fair bit (and none of my family live in Lewes) and I'm afraid I'm not seeing the hell you describe. The problem with UKIP fantasists is the belief that without immigration we'll live in a happy land, free from crime, paedophiles and poverty. Unfortunately, only an idiot would believe that. That's why I think you're an idiot.
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On 21 May 2014 at 2:32pm Mad UKIPS wrote:
The UKIP manifesto is complete garbage. It simply promises things people would like, with absolutely no means of delivering them. Many things are completley contradictory. They promise one concept to one set of people, and a completely contradictory thing to another group. Low tax fro everyone…hooray… and lots of services…hooray…..um…..how are we going to pay for them then….? My guess is that like other parties, you give them some owere, and then the real policies emerge, nothing like the manifesto. Judging by some of the candidates, this would include racist, sexist, homophobic nastiness. As I have said before, we alreday have a UKIP Councillor. and she is not even allowed to speak, because it reveals her apalling views. She hasn't been deselected though, has she? What does that say about these horrible people.
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On 21 May 2014 at 4:27pm Voter wrote:
It's the same MESSAGE that is being sent to all potential future governments. The UK populace is sick of Brussels. It's the only way to make LAbConDims aware of popular opinion. End of. Don't forget the whole of Europe is voting too. Will be interesting to see how many alleged racists parties get seats in France, Spain, Germany, Italy, even. Greece. Of course the Eastern block countries love their new found pots of gold from the EU. We aren't the only ones disgruntled about the cost and lack of power ! Bring it on.
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On 21 May 2014 at 4:29pm Youngest Son wrote:
Why are we called Great Britain, Daddy ?
Because we were great once, before we became a state of Europe.
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On 21 May 2014 at 4:38pm bastian wrote:
We are not governened by Brussels, they just assist with a unified law that helps everyone rub along in stead of killing each each other, which Europe has been very good at for hundreds of years. I agree that straight cucumbers is insane, but when it comes to employment rights, I think that is a good thing to have a unified understanding about, particularly if it means that all countries sign up to that, it helps people on the ground to have a back up like that.
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On 21 May 2014 at 4:40pm British and educated. wrote:
No we are called Great Britain because the Normans call us Grande Bretagne to distinguish us from from the smaller Britain, i.e.Brittany.Ignorant little Englander UKIP numpty.
 
 
On 21 May 2014 at 4:46pm stupid fruit n veg wrote:
perhaps UKIP Supprter could tell us what he/she thinks about the nonsense that is straight cucumbers and bananas etc etc being banned by the EU ?
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On 21 May 2014 at 7:35pm Sussex Jim wrote:
Bastian, the reason why the nations of western Europe are no longer killing each other is because they have learned from the futile war of 100 years ago; and because for the last 50 or 60 years they have been members of NATO.
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On 21 May 2014 at 7:50pm neighbour wrote:
or perhaps, a combination of different things which focus on gettting on togther as fellow human beings, rather than making , offensive, and unhelpful comments about which people we may want to avoid as neighbours, based solely on their nationality.
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On 21 May 2014 at 8:10pm bastian wrote:
We have had peace because we unified and traded
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On 21 May 2014 at 8:38pm Clifford wrote:
bastian wrote: 'We have had peace because we unified and traded'

I do get tired of that constant nonsense. There is an EU because there has been no war, not the other way round. Europe traded before WW1 and WW2 - in fact one writer before 1914 said they could be no war because of the trade links between all the European powers. Without their empires gone, the European powers have nothing to fight about any longer.
 
 
On 21 May 2014 at 8:53pm european wrote:
I think it helps….doesn't it?
 
 
On 22 May 2014 at 1:31am Innocent Bystander wrote:
Well it’s 1.30am and I’ve been reading your posts to try and gain some divine inspiration on who to vote for later today. Needless to say I’m bitterly disappointed.
The thing is that not voting at all would be an inhuman affront to the millions who have died in the cause of bringing democracy to Europe. However, the link below takes you to the official list of candidates for the south-east region, but this is not terribly enlightening. During the “campaign” I have received just three leaflets through my door which have been purely party propaganda for Tory, Labour and LibDem.
I want to know about policies, proposed legislation and the direction of travel, but this kind of info doesn’t seem to be on the agenda. Why should it be? This is all about politics.
If we are not part of Europe do we belong with the Commonwealth remnants who now identify with south-east Asia on the other side of the globe? If we are not part of Europe do we belong with the USA 3,000 miles away? If we are not part of Europe do we belong with Scotland? If we are not part of Europe then we must be a tiny island in the Atlantic off the north coast of the European mainland.
Please tell me, who should I vote for?

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On 22 May 2014 at 12:02pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
There's a lovely irony in UKIP supporter bewailing the low wages that immigrants are prepared to work for, while defending the party that wants to end workers' rights.
We'll all be working for threepence an hour if they get their way, and paying tax on it.
 
 
On 22 May 2014 at 5:43pm bastian wrote:
Clifford, that was my point, We UNIFIED and traded.


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