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Disabled people to be paid less.

On 15 Oct 2014 at 5:47pm Tory Voice wrote:
There`s huge outcry about Lord Freud`s eminently sensible suggestion that disabled people should be paid less than the minimum wage.I see no good reason the next Conservative government should n`t also restrict the wages of other less productive minorities , such as left handers and people with red hair.
On 15 Oct 2014 at 6:17pm YOUKIP. wrote:
What about women and people that don`t speak English,why leave them out?
On 15 Oct 2014 at 6:32pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Older workers clearly won't be as productive as younger ones, what with decrepitude creeping in. The minimum wage should drop year by year when workers hit 50, dwindling to nothing by the time they hit retirement age.
This would have the added benefit of stopping greedy buggers working after pension age, thus freeing up jobs for younger workers and getting them off the dole.
On 15 Oct 2014 at 6:54pm Donna Ukipbab wrote:
Will you be voting for me Annette? I think I love you.
On 15 Oct 2014 at 7:08pm Sue Budd wrote:
"Why children are born deformed"
"When a child is born deformed in some way, there is certainly a reason for it and there is a cause but it is very difficult for human beings to see these causes. Brothers and sisters, anything of this kind is always the result of man's own mistakes... That is they have an effect on their children."
On 15 Oct 2014 at 7:11pm Voter wrote:
funnily enough this is exactly what Donna Edmunds does support. She wants employers to be able discriminate against anyone, including disabled people. She wants employers to be able to pay them less, turn disabled people away and for employers to find the market value of disabled people. She wants people who do not like disabled people to be able to discriminate against them, and has written at length about here view that anti-discrimination laws should be removed because they prevent free choice. UKIP support Donna and her nasty political views.
On 15 Oct 2014 at 7:29pm Mavis wrote:
See Donna was ahead of her time. A true pioneer !
On 15 Oct 2014 at 9:30pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
Sorry, Donna, you won't be getting my vote!
I'm with John Lydon, who says that UKIP are a black hole that the ignorant fall into.
On 15 Oct 2014 at 9:58pm lewes resident wrote:
does that mean the coffee shops are going to have more seats available???
On 16 Oct 2014 at 10:53am Historian wrote:
i suppose, on a serious note, if he was serious, they could offer employers incentives to employ disabled people, and/or remove all employee and employers national insurance contributions. But pay them the same, of course. The real trouble is all the employment on costs these days which makes employing someone so expensive, it not just the pay rate.
On 16 Oct 2014 at 12:00pm Tough call... wrote:
If a person is less able to do the job in question, why should an employer be forced to employ them at the same rate of pay? For example, would any of us expect to pay full whack to a window cleaner who had a fear of heights and so coudl only clean our ground floor windows.... then again, would someone with a fear of heights consider window cleaning a sensible occupation for them to consider?
This issue will surely put the onus back on employers to only recruit people who are 100% capable of doing the job advertised? That then risks disabled people feeling they are being unfairly treated if they keep getting refused.
Don't get me wrong, disabled (and other minorities) must not be discriminated against, but equally, nor should they 'benefit' form positive discrimination that obliges employers to take them on in roles that they cannot fulfil to the same degree as an able bodied person. It's about the disabled person finding roles that suits their disability, rather than them expecting to be offerred a role that "almost" fits their abilities at the same rate as another applicant who can perform every aspect required in the same role.
In small businesses there just isn't the spare cash available pay people the full rate for a job unless they are 100% able to perform that role.
I have no issue with HMG offerring to "top up" the disabled person's salary to the minimum wage, but please don't expect small employers to pay 100% to someone who cannot do 100% of the role offered, and please don't expect small businesses to "design" roles to suit disabled people who bang on their door looking for work, as few small businesses will be able to do so.
Both parties (i.e. employers and disabled people), have to understand the needs of the other party, and accept that in some cases there will be no easy/good match. Forcing emloyers to pay minimum wage to someone who is unable to do the job is unfair, and risks employers preferring to recruit only those who are 100% able. Equally, this risks leaving some disabled people unable to make a valuable contribution within their abilities.
HMG topping up reduced wages so as to encourage employers to offer "reduced" roles to disabled people at less than minimum wage sound like a good idea to me, as everyone benefits...
But, of course, it serves people's purpose to miss-report, or take politicians statements out of context.
'twas ever thus..

On 16 Oct 2014 at 12:15pm Sword of Justice wrote:
This is typical - Idiot sixth form lefty tries to shut down discussion had in many other countries about how to get the severely impaired into society and the workplace . Good for them and good for us and our children to meet different people in an ordinary context .
Tough call - there are many small businesses that already take on people who they would never employ for purely commercial reasons and to whom the minimum wages is an irrelevance.
There are grey areas ( which I think you are talking about ) but there are also clear cut cases of good people in effect giving their time and resources to help.
Penalizing them is absurd
On 16 Oct 2014 at 2:04pm Thatcher`s Hatchet wrote:
On 16 Oct 2014 at 2:14pm WTF wrote:
The only way to stop these tossers is by not voting for any of them.
If we stop giving creedence to the system that everyone seems to be thoroughly sick of, we will have a chance to do something different.
What no Monarchy any more?
What no politicians any more?
What no more corporations and bank creaming off the profits whilst hundreds of millions of our fellow humans are starved, persecuted, bombed and subjugated into submission?
The system serves it self, not you.
On 16 Oct 2014 at 2:26pm WTF wrote:
Just one example of how the world actually works.
Dig around a bit, it all makes uncomfortable reading.

Check it out here »
On 16 Oct 2014 at 2:41pm Won't Twtch Curtains wrote:
Labour, Conservative, Greens, Liberal Democrat are all a black hole for the blinkered to fall in to.
On 16 Oct 2014 at 4:11pm Tourette Tailor wrote:
I try and stitch straight maybe a Tory politician could show me how to stitch up good+ proper ? Well @ least I`m one above a tinker
On 16 Oct 2014 at 7:31pm Sussex Jim wrote:
ACT- This greedy bugger is going to work on past the "official" retirement age for as long as physically possible. With the state pension at just over 100 per week, how am I going to pay my bar bill otherwise?
On 20 Oct 2014 at 2:48pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
I would just like to apologise for my comments before. I actually believe nigel garage and the ukips to be a good bunch of people who are just fed up of these polish carrots finding their way into our british coleslaw industry.
You the people must decide the quantum of compensation due for my afore intolerance to a liberal and democratic party.

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