On 30 Jul 2016 at 5:48pm Clifford wrote:
True, but then I remember in 1973 being told we were only entering into a European free trade agreement when we joined the EEC. Turn round and we find we've got a flag, an anthem and European Union stamped on our passports. Somebody was being economical with the truth.
On 30 Jul 2016 at 6:05pm Earl of Lewes wrote:
Any chance of making August a Brexit-free month? It would be nice to have a break.
On 30 Jul 2016 at 6:33pm Harry wrote:
Sorry EoL but I don't think that on something as important as this those who fabricated 'facts' should be exposed as widely as possible.
On 30 Jul 2016 at 6:38pm So What wrote:
Harry, grow up and take it on the chin. Now run along and be a good boy
On 30 Jul 2016 at 7:06pm Fairmeadow wrote:
In seem to remember quite a range of fabricated facts, on both sides, as in all political campaigns.
Remember every household being £4,300 worse off and, when it appeared that most experienced voters were against remaining in the EU, the threat that pensions would have to be cut?
All politicians in all elections try to present what they say are the facts that suit their case. Lies, damned lies and statistics. We have a responsibility as citizens and voters to work out the truth as best we can, which in this case was that actually no one knows what the outcome will be if we leave, just as no one knows what the outcome will be if we remain in the EU. Predictions are hard, especially about the future. Anyone who told you they knew what the consequences would be, either way, was trying to mislead you.
On 30 Jul 2016 at 10:15pm Ploughed field wrote:
Gove pronounced that brexit was about leaving the single market and the remain arguments were based on that,we haven't left the single market yet.
On 31 Jul 2016 at 12:09am Voter wrote:
I hate to disappoint you, "So What", but I for one shall carry on fighting for my beliefs, as is right and proper in a democracy. Europhobes have been banging on about their hobby horse for 40 years, with some very influential assistance from overseas and from wealthy backers. Expect the same in reverse now, but starting from 48%+, rather than a rather smaller number. Sorry if debate and dissent offends you!
The Daily Express's volte face is just one of many. The fact is that a very large amount of the press has been anti-EU for many years and has printed a lot of myths like these, almost all of which were intended to mislead and yank their readers' chains. The Mail and the Sun carried several "apologies" during the referendum campaign, in small print on inside pages and often relating to a previous cover. On the plus side, the level of sheer misinformation is gradually driving people to seek out better information from other sources, but it's a slow business and the damage has been accruing over many years.
On 31 Jul 2016 at 1:34pm So What wrote:
Feel free. I believe in democracy and care not how you waste your life
On 31 Jul 2016 at 2:29pm do we do now ? wrote:
Get a life, mayhap. Kind regards.
On 31 Jul 2016 at 4:22pm Clifford wrote:
Voter wrote: 'Europhobes have been banging on about their hobby horse for 40 years, with some very influential assistance from overseas and from wealthy backers.'
You seem to have forgotten that those telling us to vote to Remain were: the three main parties, the City of London financial institutions, the bank, the major corporations, the US President... Hardly the Voice of the People. I don't know, but I assume you think the EU neo-liberal project is some sort of cosy 'let's help the little people against the rich' organisation.
On 1 Aug 2016 at 4:47am wrote:
Clifford, I’m surprised at you. Labour, under Corbyn, is fundamentally for ‘the little people’. If he was the establishment corporate flunky you seem to think, the media wouldn’t hate him so much. It’s absurd to suggest he was a remainer to fit some elitist agenda. He was a confessed reluctant remainer and, in my view, one of the few commentators that came out of this sorry episode with any integrity – his ‘probably 70% for remain’ quote is a pretty fair assessment of the devil/deep blue sea dilemma most of us realised we were in.
And the reason those neo-con parties barracked for remain was because they stand to lose massively from the economic decline we’re already beginning to suffer. We’re all going to lose massively from it, but they’re going lose the most. Few of us are proud to have hitched to that bandwagon, but it’s a more secure one than that driven by Brexit’s racists, bigots and political careerist.
Which leads me to ask; who, exactly, do you profess to be the champions of ‘little people against the rich’, that ran or supported the Brexit campaign? – Commodities Trader Farage, or Bullingdon Clubster Johnson or maybe NHS Privateer Gove?
The Daily Mail?
Surprised, and disappointed.
On 1 Aug 2016 at 7:11am Agree wrote:
yes,looking at the money behind brexit it's pretty clear what they really want,low tax,low wage.The poor will get poorer,the rich will get richer.
On 1 Aug 2016 at 12:11pm JustLearning wrote:
I'm 17 and really confused about Brexit.
What does it actually MEAN FOR US now that we have left the EU?
Everything I read in the papers or is depressing.
Is my future really and truly as f***ed up as the media is saying it's going to be? I keep worrying about it.
On 1 Aug 2016 at 12:49pm I was 17 when we went in wrote:
to the then EEC. It made no difference to me all the time it was running. Your future will be decided by where you live. Stay here and commute to a "good job" in the smoke . Or stay here and struggle on the min. wage . Best thing - go up North, both to Uni and to live.
On 1 Aug 2016 at 12:49pm Harry wrote:
Interesting piece on the very real practical difficulties of separating Britain from the EU.
Check it out here »
On 1 Aug 2016 at 1:26pm Dubious wrote:
@Just Learning. We haven't left the EU yet. Amazing how many people think we have when they say "see, it's not as bad as we were told!". We are still in the EU and benefitting from everything that goes with that. Give it two years and then see how "great" Britain is!
On 1 Aug 2016 at 1:32pm Town Flyer wrote:
JustLearning: we haven't left the EU, and we won't be leaving for at least 2 years. All the bad things that are happening now such as devalued sterling, billions wiped off our 'value', the end to EU funding for all sorts of projects such as spending money in the UK on the environment and tackling climate change, threats to our Universities' funding (the list really does go on and on) might be the just tip of the iceberg. Fact is, we don't know what'll happen.... the vote was a leap into the dark, and no-one knows when (or if) the devastating results of the Brexit vote will end.
I would love to list the good things, but there aren't any (yet).