On 14 Dec 2011 at 10:42pm Paul Newman wrote:
Outside Lewes, the argument over Public Sector Pensions is being lost just as the AV argument was .If we take the three latest polls from ComRes, Mori, and YouGov, each show a move towards the Conservatives, (though no significant move away from Labour).This, after a long period of a consistent Labour lead The polls were done before the recent wildly popular stand against the EU, in the National Interest, which leaves one culprit. The strikes and the Pensions.
For Labour to be behind at this point is desperate and as for the Liberals, I agree with Nick, they are dead in the water.
Happy Christmas .
On 14 Dec 2011 at 10:58pm Dingo wrote:
It`s called the Falklands effect. Certain sections of the British public love it when their xenophobia is pandered to by right wing bigots like Oswald Mosely ,Enoch Powell or politicaly weak and unscrupulous opportunists like David Cameron.Whenever Tories are in trouble they play the race card, because believe me tha`st what all this anti European anti foreigner posturing is all about. I`ts quite sickening,but any advantage the Tories gain in the polls will ,as the harsh realities of Tory economic and political failure sink in even more, will be I predict be very short lived.Just watch this space.Oh and Happy Christmas to you Paul.
On 14 Dec 2011 at 11:08pm Fairmeadow wrote:
Just the UKIP vote going back to the Conservatives?
On 15 Dec 2011 at 7:50am Mr Forks wrote:
This problem would be sorted if readers of The Sun and The Daily Mail were banned from voting on intellectual grounds.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 7:51am Mr Forks wrote:
PN, why are Tories xenaphobic? Is it a fear that other countries are actually better than ours?
On 15 Dec 2011 at 10:36am Deelite wrote:
The resident forum troll said:
"before the recent wildly popular stand against the EU, in the National Interest"
That is cobblers. It's not been wildly popular. It is only popular amongst the brain-dead Tory right wing nutjobs. People like the certifiably insane John Redwood and of course you, Mr Newman.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 10:56am Verdant wrote:
Really, Deelite? So a referendum would produce a resounding 'stay in Europe' result, would it?
Seems to me a bit like the AV choice; media lefties were amongst those who loved the idea, but the general population didn't.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 12:58pm Rods Tiger wrote:
Yes Verdant, I think it would. What other sensible option is there for the future ?
On 15 Dec 2011 at 3:10pm supporter wrote:
load of rubbish Rods Tiger a referendum would produce a resounding no vote and put this country back on the road to recovery.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 3:21pm Paul Newman wrote:
These Polls were taken before the EU thing like wot I said. Cameron`s position is supported by the abour Party Ed Balls has explicitly said so and his personal ratings are mile and miles ahead of Milliband`s.
Dingo try reading the Moseley memorandum and then tell me how right wing he is
On 15 Dec 2011 at 3:25pm Old Cynic wrote:
Paul you are such a bore - is there anything else in your life other than tory politics - please tell us we would like to know
On 15 Dec 2011 at 3:29pm Paul Newman wrote:
Xenaphobic ? - Forks the word is derived from Greek not from the Warrior Princess
Deelite I don`t understand why you are always so angry.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 3:45pm Vulture wrote:
As verdant says, the EU is an issue like the AV referendum in which Lewes is out of step with the rest of the country.
The Lewes vote was 2-1 to adopt the mad system, the rest of the country voted 2- 1 to reject it.
Polls show that increasingly the rest of the country wants out of the undemocratic mess.
What is it with this place - do they trade their brains for mushed up copies of the Guardian as soon as they step off the trains from Victoria?
On 15 Dec 2011 at 4:28pm Verdant wrote:
On 15 Dec 2011 at 4:37pm bastian wrote:
Paul, why do you do these things?
On 15 Dec 2011 at 4:42pm someone else wrote:
Bastian - absolutely. There is no purpose to the original post beyond smug gloating to get a rise out of people. This is the sort of thing 12 year-olds do on World of Warcraft forums. Just think Newman, if you're a Tory you probably buy all that Big Society guff. Add up all the hours you've spent trolling on here and then think that if you'd spent it volunteering or something useful instead, there might be some people out there who thought there was some purpose to your inane existence.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 6:08pm bastian wrote:
I think some work in a rehab clinic is in order paul..you will soon find out how tough life is in the real world, a term so often bounded about by money makers who think that public sector workers don't deal in the real world. go on paul, make a difference to someones life, you never know, you might discover how rewarding it is..but the pay is crap and who would volunteer to be kicked and punched by a junkie/alcaholic.
On 15 Dec 2011 at 7:15pm Deelite wrote:
'Deelite I don`t understand why you are always so angry.'
Only your smug, self-centred, misleading and devious posts make me angry. Otherwise I'm fairly real relaxed..
On 15 Dec 2011 at 10:30pm Dingo wrote:
That`s telling him,good for you!
On 15 Dec 2011 at 10:44pm Mercian wrote:
I wouldn't put Paul in the same camp as Enoch Powell. If you read about him, he was, for all his faults, an independent thinker and a loyal and thoughtful man - his best friend was Michael Foot, incidentally. For example, he was an avowed supporter of gay rights when it was anathema to the Tory party and was virulently anti-American (as well as being anti-EU, of course - to the point where he told the electorate to vote Labour to keep us out of Europe, as of course, they were then the anti-EC party, while the Tories were pro....) Of course there was that speech, but...
Anyway Paul just toes the Tory line, I've never seen him say anything other than receivied right-wing wisdom. Something you can't have said about Powell.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 12:04am Dave wrote:
I imagine he's on a retainer to troll forums like this one to spread tory propoganda
Its his absense in threads that interests me but how can anyone who just spouts the doctrine handed down to him have any credibility at all?
On 16 Dec 2011 at 2:08am expat two wrote:
The 8% swing from the Tories in the Feltham by-election last night rather contradicts the cherry picked statistics, eh?
On 16 Dec 2011 at 9:58am Independent Thinker wrote:
Yes, Feltham is a former Tory seat, and I'm sure they were rubbing their hands with glee that the by-election was just after the veto. No way they were going to win it, but the Tories would have expected a big swing towards them and a chance to give Ed M a good kicking. To see Labour's vote go up at the expense of the Tories was a huge surprise, especially by that much. Just goes to show that real voters don't always do what the opinion polls suggest they will.
On the veto thing, I haven't made my mind up about Ed M, but I loved his line in the Commons about how a veto is only a veto if it stops something from happening. From everything I've read, what Cameron claimed he was stopping can still happen, except now without the UK having any influence over it. Nice one Dave.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 11:14am Paul Newman wrote:
Three National Polls is not cherry picking Ex Pat. Labour`s vote was down in Feltham, 28.8% was the lowest turnout in any by-election since 2000,some thirty points below the GE. It may calm worries about Ed in the PLP but I doubt it.Piling up votes in its Inner City client boroughs is evidence of where Ed and Balls have pitched their tent .In the wrong place. He is on track to do worse, far worse, than either Foot or Kinnock who got some awfully jolly mid term protest results.Then lost badly.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 11:25am Paul Newman wrote:
To see Labour's vote go up at the expense of the Tories was a huge surprise
Not at all ,it depends which votes, Labour are gaining votes whithin an overall static position. Conservatives are gaining in absolute terms . Labour`s gains however are all in seats they own. They do not have problem with London,they have a huge problem with the rest of the South.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 1:24pm Mercian wrote:
"What is it with this place - do they trade their brains for mushed up copies of the Guardian as soon as they step off the trains from Victoria?"
The AV vote was strongest in Oxford, Cambridge, Inner London, Edinburgh, Norwich, Bristol and Exeter (among others). All plcaes with a well-educated population. It was lowest in Essex, North Kent and parts of the Midlands.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 1:55pm Paul Newman wrote:
Labour Party voters boast the lowest educational attainments overall Mercian ,lower than the BNP.It would not be suprising if class advantaged voters tended to be kindlier to AV as it would have disenfranchised ordinary voters placing power in he hands of political courtiers.
btw I always enjoy the fetid little snobberies of the Guardianista , file under "I hate the Daily Mail" the Abigail`s Party remark of our times ..can you do an, "ooo I hate Peter Hitchens sweety"?
On 16 Dec 2011 at 3:14pm Mercian wrote:
First past the post disenfranchises voters more than AV, Paul - almost every government since the war has been elected with the majority of voters voting against it. Is that a fair system? IN any case the british system gives the elected government unparalleled power compared to other governments - no checks, no balances: an elected dictatorship, if you will.
Anyway, that argument's obviously dead now anyway, your lot have won.
When did I mention Labour voters Paul? Are you building up your straw man to knock him down again? You're arguing with your imaginary adversary again using the arguments cut and pasted from the ConBlogosphere.
In any case I don't think it's snobbish to dislike the Mail. I know lots of working class people who despise it. I also know plenty of Tories, like yourself, who have nothing but contempt for it. It's certainly not confined to lefties.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 3:16pm Mercian wrote:
Meanwhile, let's have a quote from a former Conservative PM.
"The end of the negotiations is a blow to the cause of the wider European unity for which we have been striving. We are a part of Europe, by geography, history, culture, tradition and civilization ... There have been times in the history of Europe when it has been only too plain how European we are; and there have been many millions of people who have been grateful for it. I say to my colleagues: they should have no fear. We in Britain are not going to turn out backs on the mainland of Europe or the countries of the Community. "
On 16 Dec 2011 at 5:11pm onewhoknows wrote:
No supp[ort for the Tories in Feltham. Big swing away from them, and the lib dems, as Labour held the seat in a by-election yesterday.
On 16 Dec 2011 at 11:34pm Yawn.... wrote:
On 17 Dec 2011 at 4:57pm bastian wrote:
I want to see a system where each voter votes only for the party leader on his or hers own merit. Their manifesto must be written by a solicitor so when they get in it is binding by law.