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Cheats in Sport

On 6 Feb 2011 at 8:07pm jrsussex wrote:
Where do posters stand on the punishment of those earning substantial salaries from their sporting prowess but then indulge in cheating in one way or another.
Are the punishments handed out enough to deter sports persons from going down the wrong path? I think not, the bans given by the ICC to the three Pakistani cricketers is far too lenient for the magnitude of the offence . I believe that whether is is for betting purposes in cricket and football or the taking of performance enhancing drug in athletics etc there should be a mandatory life ban imposed from all professional sport. The fact that it keeps happening proves that some sports persons will take the risk hoping their ban will be relatively short term. If they knew they would definately receive a life-time ban I believe very few would take the chance.
On 6 Feb 2011 at 8:30pm canoeman wrote:
I think a life ban would be too harsh. In this case for the 2 older players it probably is a life ban given their age when they are allowed to play. The 18 year old will i hope get another chance. He is only 18. Most 18 year olds do stupid things and to condemn him for life for this would be too harsh
On 6 Feb 2011 at 8:45pm jrsussex wrote:
What do you say about the millions of cricket supporters throughout the world who know that the actions of those players, solely in order to earn large sums of money, altered the outcome of the game? What of those who genuinely placed bets on the the result of the game and lost their money because players cheated? Age would be a very poor excuse, he knew what he was doing and chose to do it.
Bear in mind, this was not the first time Pakinstan players have been involved in match fixing, it has happened a number of times over the years.
On 7 Feb 2011 at 8:33am 'ere be monsters wrote:
It wasn't match fixing, it was spot bet fixing. If you gamble I think you are in with a good chance of losing, the odds are stacked against you anyway. ALL professional sports people cheat, that's a fact, whether it's a footballer claiming it's his team's throw in when it isn't or a case of "sledging" in any sport. Start banning every sports person for life when they cheat then we would be a bit short of top class players in a very short while.
On 7 Feb 2011 at 8:50am jrsussex wrote:
'ere be monsters - You don't seriously believe I am asking that a player who knowingly attempts to get a throw-in that is not his should be banned for life. I speak of match fixing, deliberate no balls in cricket alter the outcome of the match. What if th ball had been bowled correctly, it may have taken the wicket or could have been hit for a six, do you disagree that that would not alter the outcome?
On 7 Feb 2011 at 9:00am Rookie wrote:
Cheating and corruption is endemic in virtually every professional sport purely due to the obscene amounts of money involved. It seems the more money involved then the worse the levels of cheating. Boxing has been corrupt for many, many decades. Premiership football seems to developed it as a way of life. It's even got into the gentlemens game of snooker in recent years!
On 7 Feb 2011 at 9:37am 'ere be monsters wrote:
It's all cheating jr. I do disagree. I believe you are saying that a no ball alters the course of a match whereas a footballer gaining a throw in by deception which results in a goal being scored wouldn't alter a result. Those few no balls did not have a bearing on the outcome. A no ball or not it could have been belted for six and you can still be out off a no ball. There has been an incident when a footballer clogged the ball out of play straight from the kick off, found to be part of a spot betting scam on the time of first throw in. Should he be banned for life? Winning is everything in professional sport.
On 7 Feb 2011 at 11:20am George Doors wrote:
Sport should be semi-professional, like Rugby Union used to be.
On 7 Feb 2011 at 1:07pm jrsussex wrote:
'ere be monsters - If you believe that those who are part of the game and bet on the result, and then do something that can affect the result, athletes who take performance enhancing drugs and other such serious offences as against those who commit professional fouls etc are all in the same boat then I give up. You win!!!!
On 7 Feb 2011 at 1:18pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
What different boats should they be put in. That's something you haven't addressed. What would you say was minor enough to be banned for life?
On 7 Feb 2011 at 4:14pm jrsussex wrote:
Taking performance enhancing drugs in any sport. fixing matches whatever the sport. That's two for a start. Back in the sixties three, if my memory serves me right, football league players were caught fixing matches, all were convicted of the offence and served prison sentences. As I remember they never again played professional football. Many years ago they produced a film of it.
What did you think of Ferdinand "forgetting" he had a drug test? I, like most football supporters, just don't accept his explanation. But had he tested positive nowadays he probably would have received a similar punishment, just an 8 months ban, for which he was probably paid so why worry? Effectively an 8 month holiday. I struggle to see the detrimental punishment of that.
On 7 Feb 2011 at 4:42pm Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
The drugs thing is a bit random, so I think they should just give it up and let them all take whatever drugs they want. It'd be more of a level playing field than just a few of them getting caught.
On 8 Feb 2011 at 9:17am 'ere be monsters wrote:
Why is that cheating any worse than any other? I don't think "forgetting" is mitigation for any offence, no more than ignorance. jr you made a sweeping statement to start with and I still don't think you you have justified life bans for cheating. Also banning an 18 year old for life on the basis that fellow countrymen had previously been found guilty. Aren't match fixing and spot bet fixing different.
On 9 Feb 2011 at 2:30pm popeye wrote:
Personally getting aside from the drug issue I find that football in particular has just become one big business. There was a time when you could cheer on your local team knowing that they either lived in the area or on the outskirts. Now the teams have become multi national with the richest clubs getting the pick of the best players. So now when you go to watch say Man united you might just as well shout out "come on Europe". Sorry its not a drug related reply but it just bugs me.
On 9 Feb 2011 at 3:29pm Penguin wrote:
In the game between Blackburn and West Brom a couple of weeks ago, out of the 27 players that played there were 22 different nationalities.
On 9 Feb 2011 at 5:00pm jrsussex wrote:
'ere be monsters - We'll agree to differ, you think cheating is OK I don't.
On 9 Feb 2011 at 6:04pm Cynic wrote:
Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote: The drugs thing is a bit random, so I think they should just give it up and let them all take whatever drugs they want.

I think that's the best idea. Let's have Drug Soccer, Drug Athletics, Drug Snooker. And Straight Soccer, Straight Athletics, Straight Snooker. Then we'd all know where we are and make our choice.
On 10 Feb 2011 at 9:14am 'ere be monsters wrote:
jr, please show me where I said cheating is ok. Cheating goes on everywhere, not just in sport. I can show you where I've asked you to state what degree of cheating does a life ban begin at? Unfortunately you have either missed that point, or you didn't put much thought into your original post.

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