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Changing the Voting System

On 28 Jan 2011 at 5:11pm Yes to AV wrote:
Are you in favour of scrapping our outdated voting system? I'm working with the Yes campaign to get a change to the Alternative Vote system. We're looking for local people who would like to support the campaign.
If you'd like to get involved then get in touch: southeast@yestofairervotes.org.uk
For more info have a look at our website: www.yestofairervotes.org

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On 28 Jan 2011 at 5:26pm jrsussex wrote:
The conservatives do not want AV, the Libdems do not want AV, they are only going along with it as a possible stepping stone to PR. Pre-election Nick Clegg stated that the AV option was "a miserable little compromise". Labour also do not really want it but will argue they do simply because they are the opposition. I am not necessarily against a change in the system but AV is the absolute worst of the options,
Only 3 countries in the world use for their elections,Australia, Fiji and Papua New Guinea. Fiji is about to ditch it and 6 out of 10 voters in Australia want to return to the UK system of first past the post.
It is an unfair system which produces unfair outcomes. Vote NO
On 28 Jan 2011 at 5:31pm MC wrote:
OK. Well I've mailed you. But I'm not sure where I'm going to find any more time.
On 28 Jan 2011 at 5:45pm Clifford wrote:
NO to AV - and as a bonus break the Coalition.
On 28 Jan 2011 at 6:03pm jrsussex wrote:
For clarification, my final sentence "It is an unfair system which produces unfair outcomes." That is AV, not FPTP.
On 28 Jan 2011 at 7:13pm Smiler wrote:
What's this got to do with Lewes?
On 28 Jan 2011 at 7:16pm jrsussex wrote:
Smiler - On May 5th you, as one of the electorate, will be having your say as to how the UK's voting system should operate in future.
On 28 Jan 2011 at 7:21pm Off-Message wrote:
Imagine this scenario in a seat contested by three parties:Tory candidate gets 49%, Labour candidate gets 49%, BNP candidate gets 2%. I've got an idea! Let's ask the dullards who voted BNP to chose which of the candidates 98% of the electorate voted for should get in. Great idea! That's AV.
On 28 Jan 2011 at 7:31pm speakup wrote:
No to AV, no fairer and why should we do anything to help the double crossing Lib Dems
On 28 Jan 2011 at 7:52pm MC wrote:
The Tories have already managed to scupper the chance for proper PR (boundary changes and AV, the poor mans version of PR).... and are taking the LibDems for inexperienced fools. The only chance for decades to sort out our damaging, stultifying , 2.1 party, bipolar electoral system and we've blown it.

UK: Consigned to the inefficient see-saw of periodic opposing ideology swops and confrontational politics. Basket case. Ex-empire and straight past third world in a few small-lived generations. Tiny over-populated and denuded island wirh liitle shared identity or common purpose.
On 29 Jan 2011 at 12:45pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
None of the above.
On 29 Jan 2011 at 1:36pm Newmania wrote:
Boundary changes that equalise the number of voters per constituency have more support than AV rectify a decade of delaying the bounday commission by New Labour and could be introduced without a refrendum
Of course Labour weant to hang onto thier rottenm inner city boroughs but it is quite obviously unfair.
I am not quite clear why the nujmkber seats in the deviolved couties may not be reduced at the same time in recognition of the assymetrically over represented populations who were bribed thusly by New Labour.
On AV I am undecided , PR is out of the question
On 29 Jan 2011 at 4:56pm 'ere be monsters wrote:
You running in those fingers for a gorilla Newmania?
On 29 Jan 2011 at 7:34pm Merlin Milner wrote:
MC, do not forget that we are the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world. However being British means that we continually knock ourselves and forget that we have a lot to offer. Lets be positive, life is too short to be miserable.
On 29 Jan 2011 at 8:09pm MC wrote:
I had forgotten. Remind me what we manufacture.
On 30 Jan 2011 at 8:01am 'ere be monsters wrote:
Parking revues.
On 30 Jan 2011 at 10:09am Newmania wrote:
Aircraft Engines and Pharmaceuticals for example . Manufacturing accounts for in region of 11% of our GDP ,banking for 7% ( although Services for far more )
On 31 Jan 2011 at 12:13pm Ed Can Do wrote:
We make a lot of guns too. Well, weapon systems anyway if not actual guns. I believe the satellite manufacturing industry is pretty healthy at the moment as well.

But yeah, AV sounds like a silly idea to me, it's a real shame we've not had a chance for some proper electoral reform.
On 4 Feb 2011 at 5:04pm Ian Eiloart wrote:
Actually, AV (and simple variants) are used to elect the Mayor of London (the difference here is that you only get to list two preferences), the President of Eire, the leader of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, and several trades unions.
It's a widely used system, and the fairest system for an election that can have only one winner (like the MP for a single member constituency).
A referendum on AV was in the Labour manifesto, and "preference voting" is an essential part of all proportional representation systems.
On 4 Feb 2011 at 9:17pm piglet wrote:
Thanks for that Ian - it's nice to see that you actually exist. You must be the most transparent, invisible councillors going. You can explain your version of the voting system till the cows come home, but you and some of your other chums won't be getting my vote. You seem to think that once you have settled into the comfy leather chairs, it's all done and dusted. You need to take a lesson from Ruth o'Keefe.

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