On 25 Sep 2016 at 10:50am Hooty wrote:
Are you fed up with hearing about this outrageous proposal? Perhaps you think it wont affect you? Well I've a feeling this may drag on for years - what ever the planning decision. The Councils work load has already dramactically increased, and this is likely to go to court. As such, if you're a Lewes rate payer - it's going to cost you. It's not as if the Council hasn't got more important things to worry about - and all because of one individual.
On 25 Sep 2016 at 12:51pm Actually... wrote:
All because of one individual trying to put a square peg into a round hole?
On 25 Sep 2016 at 2:17pm let-it -be wrote:
what is so wrong with reintroducing a native species
On 25 Sep 2016 at 4:03pm Actually wrote:
Nothing is being reintroduced.
On 25 Sep 2016 at 6:15pm Rods Tiger wrote:
Frog juice caviar, sounds lovely. What exactly is the problem here, why not just let this guy go ahead and make his fortune ?
On 26 Sep 2016 at 10:13am Ecowarrior wrote:
May I please explain to 'let-it-be. In the UK the Sturgeon is classed as an alien none native fish. Just like other alien species it often carries pathogens (bacteria and virus) to which our native fish have no immunity to. Since around 1970 there have been thousands of recorded native fish deaths due to imports of carp, catfish, ornamentals, etc. Legal imports will be health certified, however these health checks are very limited in their scope, and many of the fish deaths mentioned have been caused by introducing 'Health Certified fish' including some supplied by the EA. It is known that the pathogens are found in fish waste, and some can live for years. A captive sturgeon is unusually problematic due to it's inability to digest more than 20% of its pelleted rations. This means it produces 80% of toxic polluting waste matter. Hence the concern over the Bevern stream which enters the river Ouse, just above Barcombe reservoir's draw off pumps. Apart from sea-trout, there are around eleven fish species found in these waters.
On 26 Sep 2016 at 1:23pm Fresh Pooh wrote:
I have searched across this forum in order to research and try to understand your posts 'ECOWARRIOR' and I note your general trolling and goading of several local issues (I have also read up on other peoples posts too).
Can I ask 'where you gain your new knowledge from' - quoting 80% indigestible feed rates, or that sturgeon are carriers of pathogens (bacteria and virus) ??? At that feeding rate, any fish would die.
You also state fish in captivity - is this tanks, intensive and extensive fish farming? All these forms have different feeding programs in fish farming.
I do wonder what actually knowledge you claim to have other than so regurgitated nonsense from another of your fellows here on this forum?
Do you already farm sturgeon or fish ? I suspect not.
You could always advise on solids versus excretion through the gills, as all fish waste is roughly 20% - 30% solids and 70% - 80% excretion, and also feed input and feed composites.
Lastly, as an interested party in UK aquaculture - may I also suggest that you call the FHI/CEFAS and ask them to confirm if any of the captive sturgeon in the UK have pathogens (bacteria and virus).
You might find that you will basically be telling them that they are not doing their job correctly, as all sturgeon in the UK, ornamental or for human consumption, are kept within legally biosecure authorised sites, that have been, and are every year, fully vetted as 'Disease free' !.
Sounds to me that you haven't a clue what you are talking about and that you should find another cause to go troll.
If I was a sturgeon farmer, the last place I would want my fish to be near is the Bevern Stream and its riddled diseased fish from both marine and freshwater environments.
On 26 Sep 2016 at 2:27pm Zebedee wrote:
It's not actually near the Bevern. It's beside a winterbourne stream that feeds into the Bevern.
On 28 Sep 2016 at 12:22am The Greek wrote:
Why does anyone actually care about this?
On 28 Sep 2016 at 11:09am Ecowarrior wrote:
Fresh Pooh - Seems I've prodded a nerve - and I would appreciate a bit more civility - please. I have over 50yrs experience of matters related to fish imports and the implications of same. Likewise with the introduction of 'health certified fish' to our native fish. I've also worked closely with the Central Veterinary Laboratory (CVL) Immunodiagnostic Unit - Weybridge Surrey. It is nothing to do with the EA/Cefas not doing their job. I also have numerous scientific papers relating to problems caused by UK fish farms -which are too boring and complex for this forum. We can though agree that the proposal in Chiltington Lane is rather foolish.
On 28 Sep 2016 at 4:36pm Fresh Pooh wrote:
Then why dont you come forward as a bonifide expert? I dont find it boring in the slightest.
I am quizzed by your trolling given your great claim of 50 years knowledge. And if you claim such knowledge, then surely you can advise.
Mind you, there are only a handful of knowledgeable importers of sturgeon and I know you are not one of them.
Hence I call B.S.
Or more civily...Fresh Pooh!
On 29 Sep 2016 at 11:16am ECOWARRIOR wrote:
I think you are a bit of a stirrer Fresh Pooh. For the last time, my experience as mentioned is related (in part) to the importation of alien fish - sturgeon are one of these. My work with the CVL involved EU carp - catfish and ornamentals - plus UK fish. The CVL and others investigated (on going) why introducing health certified imports to our native fish-so often resulted in killing (80%on average) the resident stock. This phenomenon can also be duplicated with the movement of health certified home grown stock. The EAs own fish and those from say Sparsholt have caused major losses in the past. Anyway, I'll end by asking that, if you know the answer please tell us all. The CVL (a huge DEFRA organisation with hundreds of scientists) is the largest in the EU. They can shut any fish dealer/farmer down in a blink of an eye. They would love to hear from you. I wont hold my breath.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 8:30am farmergiles wrote:
Ecowarrier. The argus quoted that the developer said 'East Chiltington is a farming area, and if you dont like farming dont live there' .... not quite the same is it as you wold like others to believe you! It seems the people against this project are twisting every aspect to suit their cause. Its a few ponds and a couple and low single storey farm buildings. I really dont get what your problem is....or is it the green eyed monster and what gets your goat is that some guy might make a few quid from coming up with a good plan to make some cash in farming.... me thinks so !
On 30 Sep 2016 at 9:27am Tom wrote:
I have it on good authority that this gentleman wants to develop the site with associated house and then when the caviar business fails, which it is bound to do, apply for permission to have all restrictions on the house removed.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 10:49am Ecowarrior wrote:
Farmergiles - You are not correct. The developer, when talking about his plans, was quoted in full as saying in the Argus Sept 10th.2016
'East Chiltington is a farming community. If you don't like it, don't live there.'
You may also like to know that, The Farmers Union do not support this application - which is contrary to what he claimed.
On 30 Sep 2016 at 4:37pm Fresh Pooh wrote:
I understand that the NFU HQ sent the developer a support banner initally supporting the farming enterprise. However, it seems now, after being relentlessly hounded by the lunatic next to the proposed development, that they understandably wish to remain neutral. TOM.... do let me know where such information comes from. The amount of heresay on this forum makes it nearly impossible to take anyone seriously. Looks like the developer also has had enough too as no more posts from them either.
On 1 Oct 2016 at 7:49am Tom wrote:
The developer has spoken with several people I know in the property game who have confirmed to me that those are his plans. Perhaps his silence is for a reason?? I also don't much care for his underhand ways and being a snake about it.
On 1 Oct 2016 at 10:14am Kenneth Benning wrote:
Tom. Is it not you who is the snake here, hiding under the anonymous auspices of this local forum making unfounded claims.
You state that my planned farm is 'bound to go bust'....I am just amazed how you dine out on my business and that you have nothing better to do apart from troll me and my business activities, spreading negative unfounded unpleasantries.
To state that my hope (something I have put a lot of money and time into) is to install a 100% sustainable and ethical caviar farm (you forget that we are the UK's only vertical caviar supplier) a project that I have worked on for 3 years with many leading consultants, and that my plan is to intentionally let this farm fail, given that we already supply several hundred businesses in London and the UK, as well as France and Spain - all in order to turn a basic mobile home into a small agri-tied house on a redundant piece of land 60 miles outside London... Come on! Do you actually have any relevant or factual information to share? I think not.
On 1 Oct 2016 at 10:18am Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
There are a few things about this proposal that I'm uncomfortable with.
I'm not convinced that sturgeon farming has been around long enough for the environmental impacts to be fully known. My understanding is that is mainly done in the Baltic states, which aren't renowned for stringent standards of environmental protection.
I'm also dubious that farmed caviar will ever have the cachet that wild caviar has. It's a luxury item, and I suspect that farmed caviar will never attract the sort of prices that wild caviar does. Caviar from an East Sussex pond just doesn't have the appeal of caviar from the Caspian sea imo, and I'm sceptical about the economic viability of the scheme.
I'm also uneasy with anything that involves the introduction of non-native species. It doesn't have a good track record, and could be another disaster like the mitten crab.
On 1 Oct 2016 at 11:41am give-me-a-job wrote:
perhaps a collection of dairy sheds and associated noise, smell and traffic movements would be more fitting
On 3 Oct 2016 at 12:53am The Greek wrote:
What actually are the plans? Just farm them in an artificial lake or whatever?
On 3 Oct 2016 at 7:53am Tom wrote:
Oi Benning.
You're a liar. And you know you are. I know your plan boy and it stinks.
Caviar is also disgusting.
On 3 Oct 2016 at 8:30am Tom wrote:
One other thing Benning.
I think you're nasty.
On 8 Oct 2016 at 4:25am Anonymous with reason wrote:
Dear all,
Having had numerous dealings with Mr Benning in the past, I must say his farcical proposals are not remotely surprising. Threats of legal action from his end that will of course prove futile as he is not nearly as financially well endowed or transparent in his intentions as he likes to imply through this forum. He has 1 indirect employee in his 3 active retail and wholesale companies (not including the holding companies) run primarily as e-commerce businesses. He earlier waxed lyrical about bullies but in truth he is known in the relevant circles to be precisely what he accuses others of being, fundamentally a bully him self.
The Devon farm is in effect a holding tank in which Benning personally couriers near-mature sturgeon from Germany into tanks, spouts this poorly researched, hyperbolised Marketing garb to falsely portray Exmoor Caviar as sustainable caviar farming.
Another outright lie of course would be the true nature of what happens to the sturgeon killed and then supposedly smoked, sold or used as stock by "hundreds" of restaurants in London. I can absolutely guarantee that the vast majority of is simply smoked and then returned to a subsidiary business to then eventually be thrown away, there simply is not the demand!
There is no established breeding system at the farm in Devon, just a profit pit he can net German Siberian Sturgeon from and in essence; kill, process/cure, label and sell to gullable chefs and hotels around the country. Mind you he has very little to do with this as it is in fact his personal sales lackie Harry Ferguson that sheds this burden for him as he attempts to build a another "profit pit" to rip off the rich and througoughly piss off the locals.
Very few people can afford what he sells so naturally you ask who cares about the rich stealing from the rich? Much of it comes down to ethics which are indicatively absent from from Benning's Psyche. This spin on the facts as of which has been demonstrated (NFU supposed backing etc.) through the planning protestations merely reinforces the earlier statement. Charming and quick witted though you are, your actions are in fact rather predictable and ill judged hence why none of your business ventures have taken off.
You will of course find that he has no formal qualifications in the study of aquaculture and that he will of course have the farmers he leases the farm from in Devon under non-disclosure agreements that prevents them from dishing out the real facts, direct from the horses mouths that will doubtless contradict the "so called"! Farmer based in a semi-detached house in south west London driving a Mercedes Benz SUV with a personalised 'caviar' number plate preaching the biodiversity 'this' and sustainable 'that' fable.
I have barely got started on this conman and perhaps I have lowered myself to his level with a semi-thorough character and business assassination but to preserve my own integrity I feel that the people of east chiltington are impartially provided with an insight/summary as to the true nature of Kenneth Benning.
Sincerely,
A person doesn't want to be sued but can back up every statement made in this message.
On 10 Oct 2016 at 10:28pm Tom wrote:
You're a jolly decent man and one who speaks sense. You know as well as I do his immoral ways and deceit, yet his inability to face the truth goes to show his true self.
Benning Are you on the ropes boy? You would be if I were in the ring with you. I went to public school like you but have been farming proper near Lewes of 15 years now. Fancy a dance in the ring to decide this venture?? I doubt it.
On 13 Oct 2016 at 10:17pm Tom wrote:
Still no word from Mr Benning? Has he been outed? One might so far as to think so. We all know he's a bloody liar.