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On 30 Sep 2018 at 8:34pm God wrote:
It's like Marmite you either love it or hate it. One person's opinion or ego trying to influence another person's opinion or ego. Not going to happen it's a wasted debate. Someone who voted out is not going to change someone who wants to stay in or vice versa. Debate debate debates debated.

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On 30 Sep 2018 at 8:39pm @God wrote:
It’s not pointless if someone decided based on facts than really aren’t facts. Anyone who is predetermined that they don’t want immigration or the Eu interfering it’s pointless to debate with.
On 30 Sep 2018 at 9:52pm Clifford wrote:
What you've said is meaningless. You don't seem to have engaged with genuine objection to the EU from the left. This may interest you:

'The European left’s “attachment to the EU as an inherently progressive development prevents it from being radical, and indeed integrates it into the neoliberal structures of European capitalism”, Lapavitsas says. “The left has become increasingly cut off from its historic constituency, the workers and the poor of Europe, who have naturally sought a voice elsewhere.”

'This seems a pretty accurate assessment. The European left sees the EU as promoting democracy, egalitarianism and social liberalism, but the reality is somewhat different. The four pillars of the single market – free movement of goods, services, people and money – are actually the axioms of market fundamentalism, which is why Mrs Thatcher supported its creation. Meanwhile, the European court of justice has gradually turned itself into a body that enforces a free-market view of the world, placing more and more restrictions on the freedom of member states to make their own economic decisions.'

The delusion that the centre-left have that the EU is cosy, social democratic, 'internationalist' and people-friendly is painful to behold.
On 30 Sep 2018 at 10:59pm Dexter wrote:
Which ever way you voted, could you ever have imagined the grand scope of ineptitiude & incompetence from this appaling bunch of clowns?
May's interview this morning with Marr was eye watering. She was a scowling crow with absolutley nothing to say and absolutely no answers. How on earth did this county end up with her as Prime Minister? Jeremy Hunt next?
If we get what we vote for, we're voting for morons.
This utter shambles really has to stop.
On 30 Sep 2018 at 11:13pm Clifford wrote:
It's what happens when you get a Remain prime minister and a Remain civil service negotatiating Leave.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 12:59am Dexter wrote:
No Clifford it's you're wrong ... again.
It's got nothing to do with that.
Like Johnson, Fox, (what's our MP's name?) & Mogg , you've had nothing to add to the debate over the last two years other than platitudes and donkey jacket wearing cliche's.
Remain/Leave.. whatever.
It's always been about the legacy and lets face it, the hard left (which you claim to represent) has been as bereft of ideas as the zealots on the right.
I'm no solid remainer; I agree with you on many things but you're a lightweight when it comes to ideas & solutions for the complete mess that we are facing.
As for your laughable support of the Tory Brexit fiasco.. you should take a good long hard look at yourself and ask who's going to profit from this?
It was never going to be you or me.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 1:27am one wrote:
Thank God Clifford, you've saved us from the morbid grasp of the international neo-con fraud, saved us from the financial services sector, their socially abusive entrenchment of wealth and power, their purchasing of the democratic process for the interests of their shareholders, you and your fellow Brexiters have saved us from the machinations of corporatocracy and delivered us safely into the loving and nurturing arms of Boris Johnson.
Thanks mate.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 6:51am nancy wrote:
What made me laugh this week was Laura K interviewing Jeremy. When asked about the six things he said he insisted on to back the government's Brexit policy, he'd forgotten what they were. Who'd vote for a 70 year old duffer to rule the country?
On 1 Oct 2018 at 8:16am @Nancy wrote:
At least Corbyn answered the questions, something that May was completely unable to do yesterday or indeed any time since her election of Prime Minister.
I'm looking forward to seeing which one of the carnival of clowns the Tories will replace May with.
Fox, Grayling, Hunt, Gove, Williamson, Davies, Johnson, Rabb, Mogg, Leadsom...........
If only being a '70 year old duffer' was the worst thing you could say aginst any of that selection
On 1 Oct 2018 at 8:21am Lewes voter wrote:
@Nancy- Those who have not been around long enough to remember the carnage caused by Labour and the unions in the seventies. Those who have been brainwashed at Uni to think that JC will be the magical messiah will change the world for the better.
Look at the fiasco in Canterbury at the last general election. The Labour candidate scraped in due to vigourous campaining of the student vote. I think a student should have to vote in their home town, until they graduate and settle at a permanent address.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 8:45am Thatcher's Shadow wrote:
Students! Allowing them to vote, it's a disgrace. Especially when they forget all the things the Toires did in the Eighties. They devastated communities & economies in the provinces, gravitated the UK utterly around London. They squandered Billions of oil revenue on benefits, 3 and half million people (yes that's people) unemployed, negotiated the Maastricht Treaty. Banned the building of council houses that is directly to blame for the terrible housing crisis.
Deregulation the city & the banks, the toxic legacy of the financial crash of which your children & grand children will still be paying for decades away.
Canterbury !?
On 1 Oct 2018 at 10:32am Mavis wrote:
Didn't the last labour government leave a note saying there was no money left ?
On 1 Oct 2018 at 10:45am @Mavis wrote:
That was "new Labour" (who let's face it could have been called "new conservatives").
On 1 Oct 2018 at 11:04am Mark wrote:
Yes Mavis, such a note was left. It was intended to be a joke, keeping up a tradition of that joke being made by Chancellors handing over a deficit. The deficit was the result of the global financial crash. It was George Osborn's cynical and vindictive decision to take the note to the press.
On 1 Oct 2018 at 1:12pm @Mavis wrote:
Hasn't UK debt gone from 0.5 trillion to 1.5 trillion in the same timescale?
Good austerity planning...
Oh and let's not forget Camoron / May leading us out of the EU.
What note will the conservatives leave "no hope left"?
On 1 Oct 2018 at 7:54pm @@@Mavis wrote:
A very sick joke !!
On 1 Oct 2018 at 8:18pm Ghost of Maggie wrote:
Toiries ? Just rejoice and be thankful.............LOL
On 2 Oct 2018 at 6:20am G wrote:
Reading all your messages big smile on face.. The irony is your all trying to Force your opinion on a human being. Who has no intention of changing their opinion. Ego, fear. Well done everyone. Peace and love be with you. Live in the day. That old saying is in play divide and conquer.
On 4 Oct 2018 at 11:59am Silverbus wrote:
It would appear to me that, as ever, the Tories are playing the long game..
May originally took the stance of a remainer, yet being the unelected political patsy that she is, she has no no power within the party to express her own views. After a disastrous election result the party (and the establishment) are now faced with an ever growing Labour Party with popular policies among the millions who have taken the austerity hit for the failures of the corporate banking system.
They also are very aware of a raft of EU corporate taxation legislation which is due to come into effect in the same year as their brexit date.
The Tories friends and donors in big business, who truly control the party, would rather not abide by these rules which is why a speedy, hard brexit is an almost desired option. Hence the seemingly wierd schism within the party.
If Labour manage to thwart the Tories votes in the commons on brexit , then a vote of no confidence in the government and a general election seems ever more likely.
If Labour gain a working majority the the Tories hopes of turning the UK into a corporate tax haven will be dashed on the rocks...
As we have seen before, when the Elite or establishment is threatened it can elicit a terrifying response.
The Tory insurance policy is this; If it can quickly leave the EU, and our international trade rules become governed by the WTO and World Bank, then any TRULY socialist government seeking to borrow money for investment can be quietly manipulated by a whole raft of measures put into place to protect the interests of the 'few'.
Think, Lech Walesa, Solidarity in Poland, who took power, gave power back to the people to govern their factories etc..
The World Bank charged so much interest on loans that the Solidarity movement quickly ran out of money.Factories closed, shop shelves were empty, People starved!
Solidarity collapsed, the people voted the Establishment back in again, and so it goes on and on ad nauseum!
To me the parallels are obvious,through the induced political fog,which is why a hard, no trade deal, brexit is so dangerous to so many but not to the few.

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